USAPA/ALPA thread of the week 5/31-6/6

[EastUS]

Considering that civil litigation takes 5-7 years to reach trial I expect USAPA and/or USAirways to be long gone by then.

Ah!..I see the "logic" there = Clear "Justification" for the bizarre actions/thoughts of a perverse, sub-segment of twisted humanity, that's clearly evidenced by the actions of some west-folks.... being fully "OK" then...Words just fail me. Add to that another "genius" observing: "The most telling of all of this is the loss of $289,000 a month in dues." while the west beats drums threatening litigation for "not being represented". Heavy Sigh.....Let's all just have another rousing cheer for west "INTEGRITY", while we're at it.

 

[cleardirect]

Work with the union you have instead of working against it. Don't you want a good contract?

Later,
Eye

Great quote. If you had only done that with ALPA instead of trying to avoid binding arbitration.

 

[EastUS]

....the stupid acts that a number of your co-workers have done drags you down -- and the whole pilot profession for that matter.

"drags you down"......"and the whole pilot profession for that matter". Amen..and THAT last part..damaging the profession's image?...I've ZERO sympathy for ANY that'd choose to do such BS.

 

[cleardirect]

Point blank, a lot of you Westies have crossed over to the dark side with utterly stupid criminal acts and look where it's getting you guys? Sued and in court. When are you guys going to learn? The Easties are not your enemy; the stupid acts that a number of your co-workers have done drags you down -- and the whole pilot profession for that matter.


Later,
Eye

All you have to do is swap east for west and you have the correct understanding.

Bradford admitted on tape that he knows that USAPA was going to be sued from the beginning.

I would rather defend against the USAPA charade than the DFR from the west.

 

[EastUS]

Great quote. If you had only done that with ALPA instead of trying to avoid binding arbitration.

Alpa was/is a parasitic pestilence on the piloting community. I don't expect that some will ever "get that" and I really don't see the point in catering to wholesale ignorance on that issue via further argument.

"I would rather defend against the USAPA charade than the DFR from the west." Have fun with that fantasy......while it lasts.

"All you have to do is swap east for west"...Ummm..No Thanks...Period. I know you do have some decent people out there..but overall? = No Thanks, and I'll pass on any "swap".

 

[cleardirect]

".....pattern of racketeering activity, and acts in violation of federal and North Carolina state law"

Pretty serious charges. Reading through the 52 page filing, it's apparent the charges are not only serious but also, it is going to require some pretty deep pockets.

I was amazed at the fact that these individuals did not realize their phone calls were traceable.

The entire action on the part of these pilots is unbelievable. I'd say AWAPPA can say bye bye to their legal fund - heck, they can probably say bye bye to AWAPPA and LEONIDAS in general after this exercise.

Did you also use your expert legal opinion and think that the MDA lawsuit was a winner too?

Other than some cut and paste posts that may or may not be true I saw no EVIDENCE of any wrong doing. A bigger question would be what traitorous back stabbing spy would do that to a fellow pilot? An ungrateful east furloughed pilot that got recalled to the west at a higher rate the his eastern brother? But that was not good enough, he has to hide in the weeds and steal jobs by back stabbing other pilots. Another shinning example of east integrity.

Yep! You east guys are sure do have a warped sense of reality.

 

[EastUS]

Did you also use your expert legal opinion and think that the MDA lawsuit was a winner too?

Other than some cut and paste posts that may or may not be true I saw no EVIDENCE of any wrong doing. A bigger question would be what traitorous back stabbing spy would do that to a fellow pilot?

"Did you also use your expert legal opinion and think that the MDA lawsuit was a winner too?" That issue's yet ongoing..Your point?

"A bigger question would be what traitorous back stabbing spy would do that to a fellow pilot? An ungrateful east furloughed pilot that got recalled to the west at a higher rate the his eastern brother? But that was not good enough, he has to hide in the weeds and steal jobs by back stabbing other pilots. Another shinning example of east integrity." Umm...sure....This rant just gets more hilarious by the moment

"I saw no EVIDENCE of any wrong doing." Big surprise. Ah well..since you don't find any actionable issues..we can immediately close all cases then

"I saw no EVIDENCE of any wrong doing/Yep! You east guys are sure do have a warped sense of reality." Do tell us all Umm..Better yet? = Tell the authorities involved....:angry:..and DO explain to all concerned their "warped sense of reality".

 

[EyeInTheSky]

All you have to do is swap east for west and you have the correct understanding.

Bradford admitted on tape that he knows that USAPA was going to be sued from the beginning.

I would rather defend against the USAPA charade than the DFR from the west.

The fact that you support criminal acts by co-works speaks volumes about your integrity. You better hope US Airways stays in business. Given the actions by a number of your co-workers, I can assure you that a resume noting "America West pilot" on it is going to make employers pause and think is this what we want at our airline?

I don't want that at US Airways. I really think people need to be fired over this and for not paying dues.

Later,
Eye

 

[sharktooth]

Did you also use your expert legal opinion and think that the MDA lawsuit was a winner too?

Is the MDA thingy over, already?

Other than some cut and paste posts that may or may not be true I saw no EVIDENCE of any wrong doing.

You will not see "evidence" in a filing. I am certain, however, if you can get a poop-filled envelope into a PDF, I know some people, Adobe for one, that want to talk with you.

A bigger question would be what traitorous back stabbing spy would do that to a fellow pilot? An ungrateful east furloughed pilot that got recalled to the west at a higher rate the his eastern brother? But that was not good enough, he has to hide in the weeds and steal jobs by back stabbing other pilots.

If you have a name, I am certain the Postal Service as well as the appropriate telephone entity would like to know it, saving them a lot of time and money and saving the west pilots like yourself the embarrassment of eating crow, as a group.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Observation, not threat.

Fine, then, an incorrect observation then. If you think I'm marked in any deleterious way due to me being ex-AWA you sadly don't understand how airlines hire. I've been hired by five of 'em.

Point blank, a lot of you Westies have crossed over to the dark side with utterly stupid criminal acts and look where it's getting you guys?

I won't speak to any of the alleged offenses but what it really says is that you're wrong if you think we're going to sit back idly and watch USAPA try to disadvantage us in the negotiating room. You demonstrated your resolve by scapegoating and dumping ALPA. Congratulations on your pyhrric victory. So in the not-too-distant future you'll get to see OUR resolve. We tried the path of moderation and reasonableness but it didn't work.

Sued and in court.

I'm sure the named defendents will be quaking in their boots -- in 5-7 years.

When are you guys going to learn?

B-B-B-but we learned it from YOU!!

The Easties are not your enemy;

Prove it. Really, prove it! Adopt the Nicolau seniority list and lets move on together. It's really that easy.

Work with the union you have instead of working against it.

When our union stops working against us perhaps we'll work with it. Fair enough?

Don't you want a good contract?

Sure, whatcha got to offer?

 

[EastUS]

So in the not-too-distant future you'll get to see OUR resolve.

Whooo-pee...I've been so completely impressed thus far that words simply fail to serve. Don't mistake that for any invitation towards increasingly cirminal, or otherwise, completely brain-dead behavior,...especially since your group's already doing so "well" thus far.


"Adopt the Nicolau seniority list and lets move on together." One of your own, proffered a useful notion therein.....regarding having a "warped sense of reality".

As per your: " I won't speak to any of the alleged offenses" Immediately followed by: "but what it really says is that you're wrong if you think we're going to sit back idly and watch USAPA try to disadvantage us in the negotiating room. "..Well..you just DID "speak to" the "alleged offences", by way of tacit acknowledgement, and personal approval. Gads!..Don't you people have some at least, even semi-intelligent "handlers" out there?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Did you also use your expert legal opinion and think that the MDA lawsuit was a winner too?

Looks good so far.

Other than some cut and paste posts that may or may not be true I saw no EVIDENCE of any wrong doing.

Well, I doubt you will get called for this jury anyway. So I don't see you as much of an obstacle to the lawsuit going forward.

A bigger question would be what traitorous back stabbing spy would do that to a fellow pilot?

Spy? My guess is that a lot of that material was used for bragging rights in the PHX and LAS crew rooms. Wouldn't take much of a spy. You probably have enough level-headed pilots out there who want to move forward, see the reality that USAPA is the ONLY way that can happen now and realize it is counterproductive to sabotage the organization that is expected to work on a new contract. And the telephone calls alone (easily traceable and originating numbers recorded) are enough to get the court to start the discovery process. Then EVERYTHING on those websites (and this one too) can be subpoenaed from the host companies, emails, forum posts, etc.

An ungrateful east furloughed pilot that got recalled to the west at a higher rate the his eastern brother? But that was not good enough, he has to hide in the weeds and steal jobs by back stabbing other pilots. Another shinning example of east integrity.

That makes zero sense. That being said you then closed with this (I had to grab the desk to keep from falling on the floor laughing at this non sequitur.)

Yep! You east guys are sure do have a warped sense of reality.

Do you have ANY sense of reality at all?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Fine, then, an incorrect observation then. If you think I'm marked in any deleterious way due to me being ex-AWA you sadly don't understand how airlines hire. I've been hired by five of 'em.

Sorry you've lacked stability in your career -- this explains a lot.

Later,
Eye

 

[EastUS]

That being said you then closed with this (I had to grab the desk to keep from falling on the floor laughing at this non sequitur.)

Aviation's always been an inherently dangerous business in all aspects

Whimsy excuse = "I'm still chuckling over "Yep! You east guys are sure do have a warped sense of reality." Yep..I guess that I "are sure do"

 

[elixir]

I just skimmed that document again....I'm stunned....I mean, really.

I'm concerned about all of it, but specifically, the J/S issue with named Captains stating they can't wait to deny an East guy....I guess I'll just print out the whole thing and carry it in my bag so that when I get denied I have something to show the CP when I can't get to work.

How sad, how stupid.