IAM Fleet Service topic 18 June-

[700UW]

It was a joint arbitration I believe, and there are some numbers in one of the letters that the company paid back.

 

[pjirish317]

700,

Again thank you, but if you could, please refrain from answering for PREZ. I have no doubt that you can find the numbers, but I doubt that PREZ can even come close to an actual offer that the company made. With actual figures over the life of the agreement.

Janitor,

IMO PREZ is pointing fingers at people doing a thankless job, that he has neither the EXPERIENCE, or knowledge base to do. He has yet to demonstrate how effective he was as the president of the TWU, or give factual information on any/all arbitrations that he presented. Let alone the misinformation that he is putting out about the healtcare arbitration, with no actual numbers.

 

[orioleman]

Well since its my observation that PHX wants to be it's own entity. How about this

we have a VP in RR based out of PHX maybe he should saddle up and give PHX there type.

It worked wonders in PHL giving them back FO exclusively . and I believe CLT could have

great results in MF . SO just my .2 worth but maybe a realignment out west will please the struggling

leadership in place. One note to a past sitting President. You might want to learn a little history about

YOUR new UNION before being expected to be GIVEN a JOB that you obviously don't deserve.

 

[roabilly]

The original cba was negotiated while DL 141 was both ramp and mechanic and related, then we split into 141M and only fleet service reps were on the committee as M&R became its own dl. US rampers, Greg Bonar, AGC Jerry Moore and others were on the 99 NC.

I cant remember the other names, but it was their first CBA for fleet.

If my memory serves me correctly... the most influential person responsible for the 99 POS was none other than Mr. Bill Freiberger! He was recruited from the mechanic ranks of the 141M (now the 142). Along with the above mentioned... they gave us our first “Lap Dog” contract that began the initial “throw the bums out” movement you see today regarding the rise of the ND folks!

The membership was furious with the IAM during that time frame regarding the substandard T/A along with the union’s absolute refusal to address DOH. This gave birth to the “A-Bin News” and several attempts to change unions!

 

[The Janitor]

700,

Again thank you, but if you could, please refrain from answering for PREZ. I have no doubt that you can find the numbers, but I doubt that PREZ can even come close to an actual offer that the company made. With actual figures over the life of the agreement.

Janitor,

IMO PREZ is pointing fingers at people doing a thankless job, that he has neither the EXPERIENCE, or knowledge base to do. He has yet to demonstrate how effective he was as the president of the TWU, or give factual information on any/all arbitrations that he presented. Let alone the misinformation that he is putting out about the healtcare arbitration, with no actual numbers.

PJ,
I assume Prez arbitrated several cases since he was a Local President under the TWU structure. Probably won some lost some.

 

[pjirish317]

PJ,
I assume Prez arbitrated several cases since he was a Local President under the TWU structure. Probably won some lost some.

Janitor,

While I have no doubt of this, I was questioning his ability to be forthcoming and factual. Neither of which he has been of late. Also questioning his integrity on blaming the ND guys for a job that he could not do. And for trying to spread some misinformation on some settlement offer that he is not inclined to share with the rest of us. Kind of shady if you ask me.

 

[P. REZ]

PREZ,

I have asked you before, I will try 1 more time. What are the figures of the settlement that the company offered? Do you even know, or are you going on what MW tells you? Please provide factual information, on the actual offer so we all can see. I don't think that you got the whole story. And you are as much to blame with the "deceptive info" as anybody else on here. You say that there was an offer, yet provide no factual data to back it up. So where are the numbers for us to check out? Do you have them or is all you have is that the company made an offer & you thought the ND team should have taken it blindly, without looking at the bigger picture? Have you asked MW why it takes so long to schedule an arbitration? He is supposed to be the one in charge of that. Before you start pointing the finger at somebody, remember there are 3 pointing back at you. Now please answer all of the questions, if you can at all. The one about the so called settlement, and the one posed to you about MW.

The settlement offer was to be agreed upon by 141 and 142 jointly or be arbitrated. The offer was along the lines of pay 10% instead of full amount of any increase. Just because I don't recall the exact percentage doesn't make the story wrong bro. 141 declined and sent forward to arbitration. Get the real scoop on how the ND is trying to slander MW or anyone else not supported by the ND. It is called politics 101. I hear another side to that slandering of MW.

 

[necigrad]

Actually I don't believe TWU580 arbitrated anything. The coffers were always empty due to (depending on who you talk to/believe) being a new Union or embezzlement. If there were any arbitrations they were very few in number.

 

[P. REZ]

wrong.
What we did was take ourselves out of line. You would have been right in front of UA in negotiations. WN got big raises. Then the IAM secured raises to $24 for BA members, then it would have secured money for us, then UA. Unfortunately, voting in the TA with the language you describe as 'sucks', kicked us out of line and out of negotiations for 3 years. Nice job Prez! Now UA is on the verge of signing a contract that should snap them back. We won't be in position for snapbacks until a few years from now.

Ken Thiede negotiated the 1999 contract as chief negotiator. Canale wasn't even the District President. Again, you're getting wrong info.

Your opinion. If we would have said no to the TA we would still be negotiating and you can never make up lost money. The typical westie received $10,000 a year in raises which if we would have waited 3, 4 or 5 years for a new contract, $30000, $40000 or $50000 in lost wages. Never forget time value of money.

Go back and look at my post, I asked if RC negotiated that contract, I didn't claim he did. In regards to that contract I have heard many East employees say that the pay was good in that contract, I have never seen a copy however.

 

[Dog Wonder]

The membership was furious with the IAM during that time frame regarding the substandard T/A along with the union’s absolute refusal to address DOH. This gave birth to the “A-Bin News” and several attempts to change unions!

The A-Bin News preceded voting in the IAM by several years. Pretty funny stuff.

 

[P. REZ]

Actually I don't believe TWU580 arbitrated anything. The coffers were always empty due to (depending on who you talk to/believe) being a new Union or embezzlement. If there were any arbitrations they were very few in number.

When we took office the checking account was left at $10000. We built that up to $110000 in a little over 2 years. 1 case was arbitrated by the INTL. and lost. Money was always an issue in the beginning. BTW, the 1st and 2nd V.P.'s were the official grievance guys under our structure.

 

[pjirish317]

The settlement offer was to be agreed upon by 141 and 142 jointly or be arbitrated. The offer was along the lines of pay 10% instead of full amount of any increase. Just because I don't recall the exact percentage doesn't make the story wrong bro. 141 declined and sent forward to arbitration. Get the real scoop on how the ND is trying to slander MW or anyone else not supported by the ND. It is called politics 101. I hear another side to that slandering of MW.

No it makes the story laughable. You can't produce the numbers for the term of the agreement, therefore you have no credability. You sit there and blame the ND guys without having the whole story, or any factual information that we can check. And pay 10% of what exactly? Was that for the term of the agreement? Either answer the question, or quit trying to to lead us to believe "deceptive misinformation". As for MW, there are many reasons why he is disliked, all of them you wouldn't understand. How many time has he been to PHX over the last two years? Did you ask him why it takes so long to get arbitrations scheduled? He may be a good guy away from the union, as for being an AGC, not so much. Can't wait for the day when he goes bye bye just like JR, PF, and the rest of the canoli boys.

 

[700UW]

141 didnt present the case it was done by 142.

And John Alacino wrote the A-Bin News, it was great reading.

 

[roabilly]

"Can't wait for the day when he goes bye bye just like JR, PF, and the rest of the canoli boys."

P.J... You get an official Roabilly thumbs-up for this one!

 

[P. REZ]

No it makes the story laughable. You can't produce the numbers for the term of the agreement, therefore you have no credability. You sit there and blame the ND guys without having the whole story, or any factual information that we can check. And pay 10% of what exactly? Was that for the term of the agreement? Either answer the question, or quit trying to to lead us to believe "deceptive misinformation". As for MW, there are many reasons why he is disliked, all of them you wouldn't understand. How many time has he been to PHX over the last two years? Did you ask him why it takes so long to get arbitrations scheduled? He may be a good guy away from the union, as for being an AGC, not so much. Can't wait for the day when he goes bye bye just like JR, PF, and the rest of the canoli boys.

Ask the ND and see if they are credible, or are you the ND trying to keep it covered up? You do have that link to their website.