IAM Fleet Service topic 18 June-

[roabilly]

CJ and Strangia,

Some posters in this forum are just mad... angry about the idea of an elite educated sector of society from which they feel vulnerable, even helpless. They lash-out in anti-intellectual tirades and at times, clinging to thoughts devoid of facts or even common sense. I cannot believe some corporate conspiracy in-between rounds of golf and pitchers of martinis reviewing a dissertation on "How to Screw the Working Man," as if corporate types have little else to worry about. It is easier to grasp tightly to the IAM security blanket and partake in decades old Wobblies bromides, than to venture into a college admissions office and enroll for classes.

Speaking for myself, I have received employer paid college tuition and even a scholarship from a private company with money given to the university. Some companies do so out of public service and other do so out of a selfish desire for better skilled employees. Although I doubt US would provide much in the way of paying for college courses for ramp agents as the job does not demand much in the way of an education, nor an improvement in education would make the employee any better of a worker. About the only upside to paying for tuition by the Company is that it would encourage more FSA's to leave the job and take better paying jobs elsewhere, instead of topping-out with a 30 year career.

So Suggest Jester.

OK guys the clock is ticking... We have been posting on here for over two years now... you should be at least half way through the dynamic education that will relive you from the burdens of Fleet Service.

Please provide progress reports on your recruitment progress!

 

[Edward]

Folks, just a reminder to stay on topic. Fleet Service issues. Thanks.

 

[The Janitor]

This affects all. What was offered was instead of arbitrating the Health Care, pay a percentage instead of the full amount. It was ND that said no and now we will all pay full amount. I believe the percentage was low, 10 %? Ask D-142.

you should be thankful that you now have a District team that is willing to arbitrate, even though the language you supported sucks. Can't have it both ways. Can't vote for the language and then point fingers at the new guys for losing cases because of the language.
The new AGC's could sit by and do nothing but it hasn't. Then you come on here and bust the District's balls about losing the health care case. Sheesh!

BTW, why did you tell your membership to vote for an AGC that was simply known as the PHX No Show? How does that work?

 

[VegasGambler]

you should be thankful that you now have a District team that is willing to arbitrate, even though the language you supported sucks. Can't have it both ways. Can't vote for the language and then point fingers at the new guys for losing cases because of the language.
The new AGC's could sit by and do nothing but it hasn't. Then you come on here and bust the District's balls about losing the health care case. Sheesh!

BTW, why did you tell your membership to vote for an AGC that was simply known as the PHX No Show? How does that work?

This guy complains now because of lost Health care arbitration? But it all points back on him that the TA contract he supported has caused the problems he now suffers under.

He now supports an AGC MW thats never showed up on the property and only then to urge the workers to vote for him?

 

[The Janitor]

This guy complains now because of lost Health care arbitration? But it all points back on him that the TA contract he supported has caused the problems he now suffers under.

He now supports an AGC MW thats never showed up on the property and only then to urge the workers to vote for him?

The Local Committee also supports RR so maybe there is a solution instead of this constant complaining coming out of this one west station that continues to isolate itself.

 

[P. REZ]

you should be thankful that you now have a District team that is willing to arbitrate, even though the language you supported sucks. Can't have it both ways. Can't vote for the language and then point fingers at the new guys for losing cases because of the language.
The new AGC's could sit by and do nothing but it hasn't. Then you come on here and bust the District's balls about losing the health care case. Sheesh!

BTW, why did you tell your membership to vote for an AGC that was simply known as the PHX No Show? How does that work?

The language is from 2 bankruptcies so yes it does suck. Sounds as if the ND is saying it will arbitrate every case and lose because of the language? So you are telling me that UA, NW and US mech. can't win arbitrations because of language deficiencies because of their bankruptcies? If so, why arbitrate anything? Why didn't the ND settle on the Health Care arbitration? Did Canale negotiate the contract that everyone loved in 1999? MW is being thrown under the bus with deceptive info!!

 

[roadtrip]

The language is from 2 bankruptcies so yes it does suck. Sounds as if the ND is saying it will arbitrate every case and lose because of the language? So you are telling me that UA, NW and US mech. can't win arbitrations because of language deficiencies because of their bankruptcies? If so, why arbitrate anything? Why didn't the ND settle on the Health Care arbitration? Did Canale negotiate the contract that everyone loved in 1999? MW is being thrown under the bus with deceptive info!!

For a point of reference the contract in 99 was not loved, Canale screwed us and this is the bases for all the problems we have today. MW supported Canale thats not deceptive THATs A Fact JACK!

 

[ChockJockey]

Please provide progress reports on your recruitment progress!

Recruitment progress of what?

 

[The Janitor]

The language is from 2 bankruptcies so yes it does suck. Sounds as if the ND is saying it will arbitrate every case and lose because of the language? So you are telling me that UA, NW and US mech. can't win arbitrations because of language deficiencies because of their bankruptcies? If so, why arbitrate anything? Why didn't the ND settle on the Health Care arbitration? Did Canale negotiate the contract that everyone loved in 1999? MW is being thrown under the bus with deceptive info!!

Our current contract was a TA obtained outside of bankruptcy. You are also incorrect that Canale bargained our contract in 1999. He did not.

 

[P. REZ]

Our current contract was a TA obtained outside of bankruptcy. You are also incorrect that Canale bargained our contract in 1999. He did not.

I realize the TA was outside bankruptcy and also outside section 6. If Canale didn't negotiate the 1999 contract who did? BTW, good move getting TA when we did or we would still be in there.

 

[700UW]

The original cba was negotiated while DL 141 was both ramp and mechanic and related, then we split into 141M and only fleet service reps were on the committee as M&R became its own dl. US rampers, Greg Bonar, AGC Jerry Moore and others were on the 99 NC.

I cant remember the other names, but it was their first CBA for fleet.

 

[pjirish317]

The language is from 2 bankruptcies so yes it does suck. Sounds as if the ND is saying it will arbitrate every case and lose because of the language? So you are telling me that UA, NW and US mech. can't win arbitrations because of language deficiencies because of their bankruptcies? If so, why arbitrate anything? Why didn't the ND settle on the Health Care arbitration? Did Canale negotiate the contract that everyone loved in 1999? MW is being thrown under the bus with deceptive info!!

PREZ,

I have asked you before, I will try 1 more time. What are the figures of the settlement that the company offered? Do you even know, or are you going on what MW tells you? Please provide factual information, on the actual offer so we all can see. I don't think that you got the whole story. And you are as much to blame with the "deceptive info" as anybody else on here. You say that there was an offer, yet provide no factual data to back it up. So where are the numbers for us to check out? Do you have them or is all you have is that the company made an offer & you thought the ND team should have taken it blindly, without looking at the bigger picture? Have you asked MW why it takes so long to schedule an arbitration? He is supposed to be the one in charge of that. Before you start pointing the finger at somebody, remember there are 3 pointing back at you. Now please answer all of the questions, if you can at all. The one about the so called settlement, and the one posed to you about MW.

 

[700UW]

142 Healthcare Letter

Arbitration Letter on Healthcare

Arbitration Decision

 

[pjirish317]

142 Healthcare Letter

Arbitration Letter on Healthcare

Arbitration Decision

700,

Thank you for the informational memo's on D-142 healthcare arbitration. However I was waiting on PREZ to give actual settlement figures on the company's offer to D-141. I doubt he can produce them.

 

[The Janitor]

I realize the TA was outside bankruptcy and also outside section 6. If Canale didn't negotiate the 1999 contract who did? BTW, good move getting TA when we did or we would still be in there.

wrong.
What we did was take ourselves out of line. You would have been right in front of UA in negotiations. WN got big raises. Then the IAM secured raises to $24 for BA members, then it would have secured money for us, then UA. Unfortunately, voting in the TA with the language you describe as 'sucks', kicked us out of line and out of negotiations for 3 years. Nice job Prez! Now UA is on the verge of signing a contract that should snap them back. We won't be in position for snapbacks until a few years from now.

Ken Thiede negotiated the 1999 contract as chief negotiator. Canale wasn't even the District President. Again, you're getting wrong info.