IAM Fleet Service topic 18 June-

[P. REZ]

Where do I start!!!!???? LOL, well lets see, Im glad Prez gave Kudos to RD for his video and taking responsibility for the districts actions, thats something Prez has never done and always blamed the "executive Board" LOL!!!!! My multiple sources have told me that this UA attendance policy is superior to US, and that all UA District board members were brought into a meeting and asked if anyone objected to it, and not 1 board member did, this was also done with all the grievance chairs throughout the system and not 1 objected to it, so Prez United Reps made the decision outside of section 6, Let United do what they want to do.

Now I was also told that when we were in Transition Agreement talks, the company brought the attendance policy up, but it was quickly squashed by RC and RJ in a side session and that they knew an attendance policy would Kill the deal, so they held off intentionally with our former PDGC Canalis blessing to implement it right after the TA was ratified. Ask RR if an attendance policy was brought up in the TA talks.

Heres another problem with the Leadership in PHX, you guys always want to work things out with the managers and be on a buddy buddy cozy relationship with them, thinking you will get more that way then being hard core. Listen if you havent realized it yet, that doesnt work, you have over 130 greivances at step 3!!! If your buddy buddy cozy relationship was working you wouldnt have that. By the way, whats the status on this thing called "Zone leads" It was described to me that they are leads that are hand selected by Mgmnt and have a seperate bid from Lead Agents. How do i get those jobs, who do I have to F**k, or B**W.

Let's talk about the LAS GC here. We just saved a LAS transfer from being fired for attendance. His response when asked if he had grieved any of his write-ups? No, the GC just said sign it and didn't grieve. Little legal lesson for the LAS GC, it would be very hard to win an arbitration if you never grieved any prior write-ups then got termed. That would, in the eyes of an arbitrator be admitting wrong. If we were not hard core here in PHX why do we have so many grievances? There are roughly 10 to 15 grievances filed per week. How many are ever filed in LAS? I here zero.

 

[orioleman]

Let's talk about the LAS GC here. We just saved a LAS transfer from being fired for attendance. His response when asked if he had grieved any of his write-ups? No, the GC just said sign it and didn't grieve. Little legal lesson for the LAS GC, it would be very hard to win an arbitration if you never grieved any prior write-ups then got termed. That would, in the eyes of an arbitrator be admitting wrong. If we were not hard core here in PHX why do we have so many grievances? There are roughly 10 to 15 grievances filed per week. How many are ever filed in LAS? I here zero.

Obviously management doesn't take you seriously . they laugh and say file a grievance.
So you saved someones job . what you want a cookie or gold star. THAT'S YOUR JOB !
but if it makes you feel better then preach on .

could be LAS settles thing's with management without having to go through the grievance process . that happens sometimes. the station management in LAS is pretty well versed on the contract so it would appear they usually play by the rules.

 

[The Janitor]

I don't think the membership will dump the GC because we weren't selected for the negotiating team. I think they would feel slighted that you overlooked the 3rd biggest city. I personally don't care who is in or out as negotiators. I do wish them well though. Been there, done that.

I understand that you don't care but what about the membership? I think you need to consider the membership a 'wee bit' more because they certainly care about having someone at negotiations. Stop playing games with them.
Bottom line is what you two did to your AGC was flat out wrong. Parading UA AGC's, that were hated and NOT nominated at their own station, while not allowing the only PHX AGC to come down the breakroom was flat out wrong. You let political preference get in the way. And for what? another 2 or 3% total vote for KA or MW? NH was instrumental in getting the time clock issue fixed and I was told instrumental in getting the ND to provide you with an office. R U KIdd me????

Good job!

And btw, Tallyho seems to know what he's talking about. Ask KA if she disapproved the saving of 700 jobs in ORD? Ask ANY EBOARD member, or even the PHX UA LC if he disapproved it. WHoever you ask the answer will be a resounding NO. Also, you say the UA attendance policy is harsh. Please stop listening to others because I know for a fact that you haven't read it to suggest it as harsh. Before you comment, get objective facts and leave opinions out of it.

 

[P. REZ]

His reputation speaks for itself. I don't need to hear excuse's as to why " I couldn't do this " " I can't do that" . bottom line he was given a task and sat on it. If he want's to blame others for him not doing
his job than fine that's why he will not be a part of this district in his current capacity. I'm closing the
book on that chapter of our past horrid leadership . Tomorrow is a new day . As far as feeling
better no actually it makes me sick to stomach that a so-called union rep runs to management at the
drop of a hat. Look dude . I got the 411 on ya . I'm not going to publicly put on here all the BS you
pull. There is not point to it. You made your bed now sleep tight.

Give me a break, the 411 on me. He said this and she said that about me, spare me.

 

[P. REZ]

Obviously management doesn't take you seriously . they laugh and say file a grievance.
So you saved someones job . what you want a cookie or gold star. THAT'S YOUR JOB !
but if it makes you feel better then preach on .

could be LAS settles thing's with management without having to go through the grievance process . that happens sometimes. the station management in LAS is pretty well versed on the contract so it would appear they usually play by the rules.

No, your mistaken, management says no to us because they know the ND won't step in and arbitrate it. Once it leaves PHX why isn't it resolved by them? Guess they are being told no also. BTW, we solve most of the cases here ourselves. Ask NH and FO if we know what we are doing here.

 

[orioleman]

No, your mistaken, management says no to us because they know the ND won't step in and lead. BTW, we solve most of the cases here ourselves. Ask NH and FO if we know what we are doing here.

In one post you talk about all the back log of step 3's , If you and I quote "solve most of the cases here ourselves" . then why the backlog ?? Give it rest PREZ.. your talking in circles again.

 

[P. REZ]

In one post you talk about all the back log of step 3's , If you and I quote "solve most of the cases here ourselves" . then why the backlog ?? Give it rest PREZ.. your talking in circles again.

Do the math, we file 10-15 grievances per week, that's 520-780 per year. We have 100ish backlogged.

 

[orioleman]

Hey Necigrad,
interesting post on DOH . I can tell ya that there's two sides to that issue.
I agree with most of your point but when its all said and done. It's either DOH for everything or
not at all. Me personally it should be DOH for everything. with the exception of leaving a union shop
and then coming back . That I think you should lose the time you were gone. You have to remember
that this airline is a melting pot of various airlines. 20 years ago you had people that worked C/S and ramp
because we were NON - UNION so should they lose time because they were cross utilized. I think not.

I guess depending on how much the membership wants this issue will depend on what's negoitated
but good points all the way around

 

[The Janitor]

In one post you talk about all the back log of step 3's , If you and I quote "solve most of the cases here ourselves" . then why the backlog ?? Give it rest PREZ.. your talking in circles again.

Just let it go Oman. This guy came on and sabatoged yet another thread. Let's get this back on track and start talking about negotiations.

 

[The Janitor]

Hey Necigrad,
interesting post on DOH . I can tell ya that there's two sides to that issue.
I agree with most of your point but when its all said and done. It's either DOH for everything or
not at all. Me personally it should be DOH for everything. with the exception of leaving a union shop
and then coming back . That I think you should lose the time you were gone. You have to remember
that this airline is a melting pot of various airlines. 20 years ago you had people that worked C/S and ramp
because we were NON - UNION so should they lose time because they were cross utilized. I think not.

I guess depending on how much the membership wants this issue will depend on what's negoitated
but good points all the way around

Bingo!

We do have DOH. It's used for everything except bidding days off and vacations I think. NO UNION uses date of hire for bidding, classification seniority is king.
ALPA would never allow a new pilot who was employed with the company to walk right in with his DOH if he wasn't a pilot for all those years. Same with AFA and same with us.
I'm totally against DOH for bidding since that would allow a shift manager to come back to the ramp anytime he/she wants and slide right in. Classification rules and has always ruled. The definition of classification seniority is what may need changing. After all, what we are really talking about is getting credit for ALL part time service.

 

[mike33]

Just let it go Oman. This guy came on and sabatoged yet another thread. Let's get this back on track and start talking about negotiations.

I agree....Lets work on our world of 2012......
Man you guys must be off tomorrow...
Its late here....

 

[pjirish317]

Let's talk about the LAS GC here. We just saved a LAS transfer from being fired for attendance. His response when asked if he had grieved any of his write-ups? No, the GC just said sign it and didn't grieve. Little legal lesson for the LAS GC, it would be very hard to win an arbitration if you never grieved any prior write-ups then got termed. That would, in the eyes of an arbitrator be admitting wrong. If we were not hard core here in PHX why do we have so many grievances? There are roughly 10 to 15 grievances filed per week. How many are ever filed in LAS? I here zero.

There is a flaw with your reasoning here. I know for a fact that the LAS GC is doing their job. I have spoken with them on several occations. And there is a huge difference in having a good working relationship with management, to solve potential grievance's before they have to be put on paper, rather than working with management. Do you get it yet?

P.S.-What about answering my question about MW? And remember be HONEST if you can.

 

[P. REZ]

There is a flaw with your reasoning here. I know for a fact that the LAS GC is doing their job. I have spoken with them on several occations. And there is a huge difference in having a good working relationship with management, to solve potential grievance's before they have to be put on paper, rather than working with management. Do you get it yet?

P.S.-What about answering my question about MW? And remember be HONEST if you can.

Flaw, they don't grieve anything there, if this employee would have been fired he was done because they didn't grieve his case. No excuse for that. Any experienced grievance people on here that can back me up that if you don't grieve write ups it is like saying we agree with it.

 

[P. REZ]

So I get it now, they didn't give him any. Is that the story now. The grievance's have to be given to him, he can't discuss it with the other AGC's or the President of D-141 or ask what needs to be scheduled? They have to be handed to him? He can't do some leg work? Come on, really? BTW, I am pretty sure that if the grievance is to be heard at the arbitration level, it is still active. Maybe The Janitor can clarify this though, as I am not 100% positive here. It just sounds like one excuse after another here. Do you see a patern with MW yet? And I am still waiting for an HONEST answer on my question, How many times since 2008 has MW been to PHX vs. NH?

Ask MW that question, you won't like my answer because it differs from what you have been told.

 

[Looking For More]

There is a flaw with your reasoning here. I know for a fact that the LAS GC is doing their job. I have spoken with them on several occations. And there is a huge difference in having a good working relationship with management, to solve potential grievance's before they have to be put on paper, rather than working with management. Do you get it yet?

P.S.-What about answering my question about MW? And remember be HONEST if you can.

im not going to take sides but mw told a group of us that he was given an email from a nd guy that said something like he could focus on other stations. i didn't see the email but there were copies of it so i think its true. i think that's what pr means when he said make sure you get all the information. you cant blame mw if he thought another agc had it covered. he also informed us that he has been trying to schedule arbitrations but the lead agc never returns his calls and nobody ever knows where he is. also, the united agc's told us that the attendance policy really didn't save any jobs except for about 40 from some operations center but they lost 100 in customer service. both united union people confirmed this for us.

i have my suspicions about the nd and i doubt they will make changes. havent made any changes yet. i talk to rr and he wants to be our guy but he has said the nd has outcast him even though he has done everything within his power to work with the nd. the nd doesnt even use him even though he is a vp.

to pr, please stop stirring things up on here, im not a big fan of you and i dont think you should be on here alienating our station and driving more wedges in things. we do care about negotiations and we do want to be a part of them, some of us at least. to the nd, give us rr. we have been asking you to do this for our support but you have failed to listen. if you give us rr then we will support the nd and work with the nd. thats the way it should be but its a two way street.