IAM Fleet Service topic 18 June-

[orioleman]

PJ,
To be a true leader you have to be forth right and honest with people , something we in CLT are
very lucky to have. Our Greivance Committee reports to the membership in there BRIEFINGS . the good
bad and ugly. That is one of the reason's the membership has grown to trust the folks we have in charge.
We can only wish that someday some of our other city's with large memberships will have the same. It takes
time but with the right people it can happen. Just curious does the other HUBS give briefings to the membership on a regular basis or is that just a CLT thing.

 

[orioleman]

Hey Roa,
remember the words from the boys back in 98 on the contract. " guys its your first contract you
can't get it all " Well guess what . I can PROMISE you WE will not be hearing that kinda of BS in our
first real contract negotiations with our first REAL NEGOTIATORS .

I think someone talked about getting a negotiating team ready for next year. I for one would love to see
someone with your knowledge on that team .

 

[pjirish317]

Ask the ND and see if they are credible, or are you the ND trying to keep it covered up? You do have that link to their website.

PREZ,

All you do is dig a deeper hole for yourself. You can't answer the question, so you blame shift. You try to pull a fast one on the folks that read this forum, because you have no idea what you are talking about do you. You took what little information was givin to you and ran with it without checking the facts. Did you ask any other member of D-141 or the ND team other that MW to check the facts? Why didn't you bring this up when it happened? Why now? Did MW give you this information to try to stir the pot during the election. And no, I am not part of the ND team, never have been. I support them at all times though. They are the only group of AGC's that are actually trying to help the membership, and not just collect a paycheck. So yes or no, can you provide us on here with the actual suppposed offer from the company? Or will you blame shift again just so people will not see that you have no idea what you are talking about?

 

[pjirish317]

Hey Roa,
remember the words from the boys back in 98 on the contract. " guys its your first contract you
can't get it all " Well guess what . I can PROMISE you WE will not be hearing that kinda of BS in our
first real contract negotiations with our first REAL NEGOTIATORS .

I think someone talked about getting a negotiating team ready for next year. I for one would love to see
someone with your knowledge on that team .

Oman,

I'll second that one.

 

[Dog Wonder]

141 didnt present the case it was done by 142.

And John Alacino wrote the A-Bin News, it was great reading.

Aulicino was hard-core IAM.

The A-Bin News was hard-core Teamsters.

 

[P. REZ]

PREZ,

All you do is dig a deeper hole for yourself. You can't answer the question, so you blame shift. You try to pull a fast one on the folks that read this forum, because you have no idea what you are talking about do you. You took what little information was givin to you and ran with it without checking the facts. Did you ask any other member of D-141 or the ND team other that MW to check the facts? Why didn't you bring this up when it happened? Why now? Did MW give you this information to try to stir the pot during the election. And no, I am not part of the ND team, never have been. I support them at all times though. They are the only group of AGC's that are actually trying to help the membership, and not just collect a paycheck. So yes or no, can you provide us on here with the actual suppposed offer from the company? Or will you blame shift again just so people will not see that you have no idea what you are talking about?

Get the facts and you will see, I have heard it from several people now, not all running for office. I would respect th ND if they admitted this to the membership. I have always respected Union leaders who will tell you the good and the bad along with the mistakes that they had made along the way. Try responding without attacking my character just once. Thanks.

 

[orioleman]

Good post prez now I am sure with all your experience in a leadership role you

Have made some mistakes let's hear em

 

[pjirish317]

Get the facts and you will see, I have heard it from several people now, not all running for office. I would respect th ND if they admitted this to the membership. I have always respected Union leaders who will tell you the good and the bad along with the mistakes that they had made along the way. Try responding without attacking my character just once. Thanks.

I asked you for the facts. You brought it up, with no facts BTW, so why should I have to check. I asked you. Do you have them, yes or no? As for your character, you yourself brought that into question, by blame shifting, and avoiding the direct question put to you. I have never been misled by anyone on the ND team, never. I always get a straight answer, weather I like it or not. I can't say the same from you though. You do more bobbing and weaving than Ali ever did in his carreer. So again what are the facts? Prove I was wrong is questioning your character. I will appologize. If you can't however answer the question, you just proved my point. You choose. Just the facts please.

 

[700UW]

Aulicino was hard-core IAM.

The A-Bin News was hard-core Teamsters.

I am telling you I know John and he wrote it, I was heavily involved in the 95 campaign to organize fleet. And the A-Bin wasnt pro-IBT it was slanted towards the IAM and IBT.

 

[orioleman]

Pj,
let it go my little irish friend. the boy flipped like a pancake and got BURNT. so now he's trying to re-direct

his DISREPECT to the District by speaking of things he know's nothing about. It's sad because the membership

in PHX doesn't even realize WHY they voted they way they did . It was all about a certain Ex-president

trying to make a name for himself. I will say he did do a good job of that but not in a favorable way if you

know what I mean. Hopefully RR will be able to get PHX on the right track like FO did in PHL. time will tell

and I can't really see how some westerner's can complain about not having west in a leadership role because

they do. Good luck to them is all I can say . He made his bed so he will have to sleep in it .

 

[P. REZ]

I asked you for the facts. You brought it up, with no facts BTW, so why should I have to check. I asked you. Do you have them, yes or no? As for your character, you yourself brought that into question, by blame shifting, and avoiding the direct question put to you. I have never been misled by anyone on the ND team, never. I always get a straight answer, weather I like it or not. I can't say the same from you though. You do more bobbing and weaving than Ali ever did in his carreer. So again what are the facts? Prove I was wrong is questioning your character. I will appologize. If you can't however answer the question, you just proved my point. You choose. Just the facts please.

I have told you all I can. Have heard it from too many people to believe it was fabricated. Maybe you've been duped by the guys you've trusted all along. The facts are with the ND, ask them and remind them that if they lie to you and the truth comes out........???

 

[P. REZ]

Pj,
let it go my little irish friend. the boy flipped like a pancake and got BURNT. so now he's trying to re-direct

his DISREPECT to the District by speaking of things he know's nothing about. It's sad because the membership

in PHX doesn't even realize WHY they voted they way they did . It was all about a certain Ex-president

trying to make a name for himself. I will say he did do a good job of that but not in a favorable way if you

know what I mean. Hopefully RR will be able to get PHX on the right track like FO did in PHL. time will tell

and I can't really see how some westerner's can complain about not having west in a leadership role because

they do. Good luck to them is all I can say . He made his bed so he will have to sleep in it .

Not even close, try again.

 

[pjirish317]

I have told you all I can. Have heard it from too many people to believe it was fabricated. Maybe you've been duped by the guys you've trusted all along. The facts are with the ND, ask them and remind them that if they lie to you and the truth comes out........???

Thank you, you proved that you have no character. I have asked, and was not lied to. You can't even tell what you know, becaues you know nothing. You do not belong in any sort of leadership role. you dodge a direct question. Well not dodge, just not answer. So you lied here. What was it, "I know there was an offer but I can't tell you" something like that? were you sworn to secercy or something? The only person that lied to me was a former canoli AGC, JR, maybe you need to make sure MW is not lying to you. Seems to be a pattern with that crew. Please tell CL I said hi. So again thank you for not answering my direct question, you proved that, 1. you have no character, and 2. you have no crerdability. Thank you.

 

[The Janitor]

Oman,

I'll second that one.

MW probably couldn't get 20% of the east votes. Oddly, a westie is telling us how great MW is.
One thing is clear, PHX has positioned itself firmly in the sinking boat of MW. This doesn't position PHX in a good position if it wants a role in the future of this District. Even if MW wins, it still will not position PHX for a significant role since it continually shoots itself in the foot. Politics 101.
end of lesson

 

[orioleman]

Not even close, try again.

HMMMMMM looking up at the scoreboard.. looks pretty clear to me. but hey . tell ya what

with all your expertise and all . how about EDUCATING your membership about contracts and the

importance of Language / scope. Benefits, pensions, M/A language. There's more to it than just

a 2.00 an hr raise. Maybe just Maybe we can all get on the same page by next July .. That's the optimistic

side of me. The realistic side tells me you will do no such thing and because you got that "what's in it for me

attitude" OOOOOOOOH well one can dream I guess.