IAM Fleet Service topic 18 June-

[roabilly]

PREZ,

Since you like throwing the "inexperience" card around. What exactly is your experience? Have you actually presented any cases for arbitration? If so, did you win any of them? Please give references for us to check. If you don't mind, I will do some checking of my own on your so called "experience" (or lack there of) and post what I find here. Like I have assked you before, what kind of experience would you accept? And please give a direct answer, and not some smoke and mirrors answer.

I have brought this up before... define experience for us MR. PREZ! I witnessed first hand the Modus Operandi of “experienced” Union Leadership. Unfortunately... their experience was in having a party on the membership’s dime, and cutting backroom deals with company!

I’ll trade centuries of that kind of experience for two seconds of experience from the individuals that will be, and are representing the membership fairly!

 

[700UW]

Very well said Roabilly in regard to education!

 

[orioleman]

That is a good way to get solidarity. The experience here among leaders is very valuable to the membership as a whole including the east coast. Just because we don't support the inexperience of the ND doesn't mean that we aren't in this for the good of the membership. Regardless of who our leaders might be the leaders here in PHX will continue to work with any AGC to better the working conditions for all. We will not revolt if the ND wins, we will work with them. Our opinion during this election process varies from some of you. CL was speaking of the mentality out west. He wasn't giving in. Look at the numbers we had come out to vote, not bad considering it was done in 4 days. If you want the east versus west to go away stop bashing and accept the differences we all have across the system.

P. Rez

First off that is total BS and you know it. You tell your AGC that you support the District and then in
the 11th hour flip like a overcooked blueberry pancake to the other ticket 1) is not very honest and forthright .(which a good leader would have) 2) Surely doesn't show solidarity. Once again We try and bridge the differences between East and West and YOU try to prove a point.

Quit hiding behind the inexperience excuse its starting to make you look like a fool. Do you realize
you supported and Co-hearsed your membership to support an AGC that was assigned to PHX for 2 yrs
and never once made a station visit. until 2 days before the election and picked up the tab for the vans
H*ll he never even won a Shop Steward election , was appointed by Canale. SO let's talk experience.

What is your definition of work with them. By refusing to escort YOUR LEADERS to talk to YOUR MEMBERSHIP. See Its not all about you. getting 361 people to come out and blindly vote for a ticket
doesn't bring solidarity. How much did they even know about the Inexperienced people running. H*ll
they didn't even know HOW MANY THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO MARK OFF.

Bottom line your little ploy backfired on you so just let it go . With all of your Worldly Experience WHY
didn't the TWU International Pick you up.

 

[Jester]

Very well said Roabilly in regard to education!

700UW,

Did you really just say that?

Do I need to dig through in order to find my rant of last year lambasting the lack of formal education of the IAM Executive Committee? I am trying to recall, but was about a dozen people, and I think ONE of them had a bachelors degree from an university which gave college credits for work experiences. That committee was the Peter Principle on steriods... a bunch of good ole boy backslappers engaged in cronyism attempting to match wits with a highly experienced and educated group of professions in the Tempe. Little wonder we get our collectivist butts kicked whenever we attempt to file of a grievance on a matter of any significance. And spare me that the Whackyhutt, Whizzenmutt, or Whirlygig Institute as being a serious center for training... that's not education, that indoctrination. Just try to transfer those credit hours or seminar meetings to a real university with some national accreditation.

Albert Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results," and I am reminded of this as we embark on another attempt for local elections pitting one uneducated group against another uneducated group, to be lead by an equally uneducated group in the Executive Committee, and thinking it makes any difference from prior outcomes. Now the two groups once attempting an intelligent discussion between unintelligent people are reduced to just thrashing about as to which group has more "Solidarity", as if I am in high school watching the cheerleaders calling out the other side during a football game as to who has more "spirit". Just as then, I might need to mix some 180-proof grain alcohol into my lunchtime Gatorade if this continues.

So Concocts Jester.

 

[700UW]

Having known and dealt with several members on the IAM EC at HDQ, I will tell you education isnt just book smarts, it street smarts, life and work experience.

You can read all the text books you want, unless you have been in the trenches and fought the battles, your piece of sheepskin is worthless.

A prime example was CCY and now Sandcastle, people in a cubicle or office making decisions about how you work and etc.. who have never stepped a foot on the ramp nor in a bag bin, yep those bean counters are sure smart, but really know how to run an airline into the ground.

 

[P. REZ]

PREZ,

Since you like throwing the "inexperience" card around. What exactly is your experience? Have you actually presented any cases for arbitration? If so, did you win any of them? Please give references for us to check. If you don't mind, I will do some checking of my own on your so called "experience" (or lack there of) and post what I find here. Like I have assked you before, what kind of experience would you accept? And please give a direct answer, and not some smoke and mirrors answer.

I'm not running for office and am not claiming anything about me on here. The inexperience I speak of comes from seeing the actions of the ND. Ask about the Health Insurance arbitration and how that cost this membership immensely. Also, ask why the attendance arbitration is in limbo? 13 C.? And lastly, we have heard that the best arbitrations were going to be heard first and when we won them the company would be more willing to talk and settle other grievances. What are the outcomes of said best grievances?

 

[usfurloughed]

Quit hiding behind the inexperience excuse its starting to make you look like a fool. Do you realize
you supported and Co-hearsed your membership to support an AGC that was assigned to PHX for 2 yrs
and never once made a station visit. until 2 days before the election and picked up the tab for the vans
H*ll he never even won a Shop Steward election , was appointed by Canale. SO let's talk experience.

So...PREZ...Isn't your so called AGC, you supported, in charge of setting up the arbitrations.......Again He's a " Canaliite " and you support him. Ask him why the arbitrations are poorly scheduled.................

 

[P. REZ]

First off that is total BS and you know it. You tell your AGC that you support the District and then in
the 11th hour flip like a overcooked blueberry pancake to the other ticket 1) is not very honest and forthright .(which a good leader would have) 2) Surely doesn't show solidarity. Once again We try and bridge the differences between East and West and YOU try to prove a point.

Quit hiding behind the inexperience excuse its starting to make you look like a fool. Do you realize
you supported and Co-hearsed your membership to support an AGC that was assigned to PHX for 2 yrs
and never once made a station visit. until 2 days before the election and picked up the tab for the vans
H*ll he never even won a Shop Steward election , was appointed by Canale. SO let's talk experience.

What is your definition of work with them. By refusing to escort YOUR LEADERS to talk to YOUR MEMBERSHIP. See Its not all about you. getting 361 people to come out and blindly vote for a ticket
doesn't bring solidarity. How much did they even know about the Inexperienced people running. H*ll
they didn't even know HOW MANY THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO MARK OFF.

Bottom line your little ploy backfired on you so just let it go . With all of your Worldly Experience WHY
didn't the TWU International Pick you up.




I am not claiming anything about myself here. I also have never told any AGC i have their back. The ND bashed Canale in the last election and now the ND has taken some heat. Is solidarity supporting the ND only and anyone else makes you not into solidarity? Look into the post above and answer these questions. Like I said before, I will work with any AGC for the betterment of this membership. If the ND direction wouldn't have succeeded last election and Canale's boys were still in power, what would you do? Me, I work hard for the membership in PHX. People have posted on here supporting this claim too.

 

[VegasGambler]

I'm not running for office and am not claiming anything about me on here. The inexperience I speak of comes from seeing the actions of the ND. Ask about the Health Insurance arbitration and how that cost this membership immensely. Also, ask why the attendance arbitration is in limbo? 13 C.? And lastly, we have heard that the best arbitrations were going to be heard first and when we won them the company would be more willing to talk and settle other grievances. What are the outcomes of said best grievances?

P Rez
As a westie I know you and CL both supported the last TA. Its sad to see that you now try to shift the blame of accepting the Contract for a fist full of short lived dollars now your insurance rates have gone up. Who you going to blame once the company starts to close a bucket load of cities?. Can' blame the ND guys on that one? Your upset about the Health Insurrance dont blame anyone except yourself. Ours guys try to fight cases with a canale/wingard TA/contract no wonder they are having a hard time. Hell its not there fault you accepted the sh_t sandwich you have today. I would say you got issues take it up with one visit wonder MW. He's got your back now until your un happy with him then complain and repeat your cycle.

 

[P. REZ]

P Rez
As a westie I know you and CL both supported the last TA. Its sad to see that you now try to shift the blame of accepting the Contract for a fist full of short lived dollars now your insurance rates have gone up. Who you going to blame once the company starts to close a bucket load of cities?. Can' blame the ND guys on that one? Your upset about the Health Insurrance dont blame anyone except yourself. Ours guys try to fight cases with a canale/wingard TA/contract no wonder they are having a hard time. Hell its not there fault you accepted the sh_t sandwich you have today. I would say you got issues take it up with one visit wonder MW. He's got your back now until your un happy with him then complain and repeat your cycle.

Ask the ND what was offered on the Health care Arbitration before it was arbitrated and lost. You will see that it cost this membership money.

 

[usfurloughed]

Ask the ND what was offered on the Health care Arbitration before it was arbitrated and lost. You will see that it cost this membership money.

Why ask...save us a trip....What was offered?

SPeak up

 

[VegasGambler]

Ask the ND what was offered on the Health care Arbitration before it was arbitrated and lost. You will see that it cost this membership money.

Once again PREZ the Contract Language and TA was negotiated by Canale/MW the guys that arbitrated can only use the contract language that there given to argue a case. The weak language was not created by the ND guys. Sometimes you got to realize when you have a bad hand they fought as hard as they could but when you have awful Canale/MW language you cant blame them. I suggest you get some windex and look in the mirror you brought this one on yourself....

 

[pjirish317]

Ask the ND what was offered on the Health care Arbitration before it was arbitrated and lost. You will see that it cost this membership money.

And you got this information from who? And by "this membership" are you refering to all or just "West", because it is still fairly affordable for family insurance as opposed to getting the same coverage on your own. You are running out of people to blame, and showing us who you really care about, yourself, and not the membership. And like Oman said, ask MW why it takes so long to get the arbitrations scheduled. He is the one in charge of that. Deal with what was voted on by the membership, and quit trying to blame other for what you voted for.

 

[usfurloughed]

Once again PREZ the Contract Language and TA was negotiated by Canale/MW the guys that arbitrated can only use the contract language that there given to argue a case. The weak language was not created by the ND guys. Sometimes you got to realize when you have a bad hand they fought as hard as they could but when you have awful Canale/MW language you cant blame them. I suggest you get some windex and look in the mirror you brought this one on yourself....

Vegas

I kind of wanted him to give info that was not of this regimes doing. All need to realize where all this contract language came from and station reps need to step up and look fwd to the coming negotiations and change things.

 

[VegasGambler]

Vegas

I kind of wanted him to give info that was not of this regimes doing. All need to realize where all this contract language came from and station reps need to step up and look fwd to the coming negotiations and change things.

Thanks Brother.....will do