ALPA/USAPA topic for week of 1/31 to 2/6

[AWA320]

That's pretty cynical coming from a man in your position. I wonder how many of your west brethren feel that way? Like another poster said, why don't you just quit now?

We are way past pleasantries here AAA73 you and your band of usapa clowns seek to destroy me and my fellow AWA brethren, you already sank the ship now you're sinking the life boat! The worst thing you can do is interfere with fate. Doug Parker interfered with that fate by pulling usair out of defeat when he should have done what ever other carrier did was let it die. That was it's fate. Now we lose two carrires as a result. We are never ever going to submit to usapa EVER!! so you may as well get that thru your thick heads. You are self serving in every way, me me me!!

Law suits, lost potential, lost synergies all add up to Parker and top management setting up golden parachutes, i guess you and your boys missed that move huh? Management even knows this stories ending but you refuse to see it. Don't trick yourself into thinking that this management will deal with usapa to the detriment of 1900 west pilots, that would be almost instant death. PHX is the biggest base in all of LCC, did you catch that partner? PHX IS THE BIGGEST, not PHL, not CLT but PHOENIX!!! So you and your band of merry men continue on with your quest to just run us all over and lets watch the fireworks show together as this one ends with your original fate, UNEMPLOYMENT!!!

Have a good weekend, can you hold them off?? I can

 

[cactusboy53]

Unfortunately no one in ALPA national or AWA ALPA has supported the East pilots receiving pay parity. To suggest altruism now just doesn't hold much water while continuing to actively oppose parity as a precondition to negotiations. The fact is that ALPA of its own doing has split the group and the only way a joint contract can be passed is over the veto of the other side.

With a single union the moderates will vote as one block and make a reasonable solution possible. Sure there will be extremes on both sides still that aren't content but a single union will be able to have results while ALPA will simply sputter.

But again while this is all interesting conjecture, the real issue is which CBA constitution and bylaw is better and which group do the most pilots trust to actually follow it?

What? You mean after the east association passed resolutions to NOT RETURN TO THE JNC until the Nicolau Award was addressed (BTW, that is in violation of the tenative agreement between east, west and LCC)? Further, Mr. Parker stated unequivocally that he would not raise the east pay because he was not required to do so AND that doing so would eliminate ALL incentive to complete a joint contract (for the the east pilots).

Using ALPA and AWA ALPA resources to fight for something that was not on the table until after the binding arbitration would have been a COMPLETE waste of time and funds. The right thing to do was to continue with the JNC process for the best contract while the economy is (was) good. Guess what? That ship looks like it is in the harbor and making ready for sail.

 

[Phoenix]

What? You mean after the east association passed resolutions to NOT RETURN TO THE JNC until the Nicolau Award was addressed (BTW, that is in violation of the tenative agreement between east, west and LCC)? Further, Mr. Parker stated unequivocally that he would not raise the east pay because he was not required to do so AND that doing so would eliminate ALL incentive to complete a joint contract (for the the east pilots).

Using ALPA and AWA ALPA resources to fight for something that was not on the table until after the binding arbitration would have been a COMPLETE waste of time and funds. The right thing to do was to continue with the JNC process for the best contract while the economy is (was) good. Guess what? That ship looks like it is in the harbor and making ready for sail.

"....again while this is all interesting conjecture, the real issue is which CBA constitution and bylaw is better and which group do the most pilots trust to actually follow it?"

 

[767jetz]

I used something large to get happiness in life

You must be referring to your LARGE ego. Or maybe your LARGE sense of entitlement. Oh! Wait... Wait... I know... your LARGE imagination.

 

[AWA320]

Unfortunately no one in ALPA national or AWA ALPA has supported the East pilots receiving pay parity. To suggest altruism now just doesn't hold much water while continuing to actively oppose parity as a precondition to negotiations. The fact is that ALPA of its own doing has split the group and the only way a joint contract can be passed is over the veto of the other side.

With a single union the moderates will vote as one block and make a reasonable solution possible. Sure there will be extremes on both sides still that aren't content but a single union will be able to have results while ALPA will simply sputter.

But again while this is all interesting conjecture, the real issue is which CBA constitution and bylaw is better and which group do the most pilots trust to actually follow it?

More usapa lies and misinformation!! Yes we did suport the east in pay parity prior to the award!! We supported the east in their stupid move of "space positive travel" and waht happend to that? Allow me to enlighten, it's sits on Brookman's girlfriends desk where YOU fine people decided after we gave our support that we in the west should not benefit from it!! Real classy there Phoenix real classy!! How many times do we just keep getting kicked in the face by you people before we say no more???

Your suggestions seek to impose your rule by force which is a form of rape so you need to understand why we feel that we must fight to the death to ensure our survival and if we both die as a result then so be it but at the very least no fornication of our rears took place!!! One extreme to the next but the end result is we all parish!!!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Law suits, lost potential, lost synergies all add up to Parker and top management setting up golden parachutes, i guess you and your boys missed that move huh? Management even knows this stories ending but you refuse to see it. Don't trick yourself into thinking that this management will deal with usapa to the detriment of 1900 west pilots, that would be almost instant death. PHX is the biggest base in all of LCC, did you catch that partner? PHX IS THE BIGGEST, not PHL, not CLT but PHOENIX!!! So you and your band of merry men continue on with your quest to just run us all over and lets watch the fireworks show together as this one ends with your original fate, UNEMPLOYMENT!!!

Have a good weekend, can you hold them off?? I can

First, actually I can hold weekends off, I choose not to because my other job keeps me busy during the week. So thanks for the wishes.

I saw where management set themselves up. Your take and my take differ. (What a surprise there). Wow, I'm impressed, you keep growing without hiring. You're up to 1900 now? Why don't tell the readers the true story? Oh that's right, we can wait for the NMB. Size really doesn't matter. Votes do!

Unemployment? We'll have to wait and see, won't we? I have been hearing about the demise of US for so long, it really gets old after a while. Too bad you can't face reality, a vote is coming and we'll see what really matters. In the meantime we both have to suffer through ALPA's latest moves to save the dues money.

 

[700UW]

AW320, your numbers are wrong.

US/East has a total of 3,542 Pilots, counting leaves and furloughs and West has 1,771.

 

[AWA320]

First, actually I can hold weekends off, I choose not to because my other job keeps me busy during the week. So thanks for the wishes.

I saw where management set themselves up. Your take and my take differ. (What a surprise there). Wow, I'm impressed, you keep growing without hiring. You're up to 1900 now? Why don't tell the readers the true story? Oh that's right, we can wait for the NMB. Size really doesn't matter. Votes do!

Unemployment? We'll have to wait and see, won't we? I have been hearing about the demise of US for so long, it really gets old after a while. Too bad you can't face reality, a vote is coming and we'll see what really matters. In the meantime we both have to suffer through ALPA's latest moves to save the dues money.

My bad on the numbers, I see that there are people below Dave Odell and more coming. NMB and size it matters to those who try to impose their will on unwilling parties. You would have to be a complete idiot to not see the major problem that's going to cause. Oops check that I forgot who I was conversing with. I don't give a rats hind quarter about alpa saving dues in fact I am pretty pissd with them right now as well. Now given the choice between alpa and that dictatorship you are tring to push up my rear, you should be able to figure that one out real easy.

Relative seniority is what it is and relative is where it's headed industry wide but I guess you missed that little tidbit signed by the president as well. The easts' non sense along with APA dictatorship over the TWA people got the attention of congress. This mass raping of people has come to an end you just refuse to aknowledge it...

 

[AWA320]

AW320, your numbers are wrong.

US/East has a total of 3,542 Pilots, counting leaves and furloughs and West has 1,771.

The furloughs no longer count an will not have a vote as the last of them were issued letters back in Nov. Now if if not mistaken that actual count on the east is in the neighborhood of 2800 actual not counting the newhires.

I just got a new seniority list so I should have consulted it prior to positing. I did see a few names below Dave Odell which by now he should have had 700 or more below him but thanks to OUR giving up our careers to save theirs he doesn't.

But in fairness to Doug Parker, if he hadn't stepped in, a lot of those US Airways people would be out of jobs today."

 

[700UW]

The actual headcounts according to the company are:

East 2,844 active, 688 on leave for a total of 3,532.

West 1,622 active 171 on leave for a total of 1,771.

 

[Phoenix]

More usapa lies and misinformation!! Yada, yada, yada...

Can't wait for your next video! Any projecgted release date or previews yet?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

My bad on the numbers, I see that there are people below Dave Odell and more coming. NMB and size it matters to those who try to impose their will on unwilling parties. You would have to be a complete idiot to not see the major problem that's going to cause. Oops check that I forgot who I was conversing with. I don't give a rats hind quarter about alpa saving dues in fact I am pretty pissd with them right now as well. Now given the choice between alpa and that dictatorship you are tring to push up my rear, you should be able to figure that one out real easy.

Relative seniority is what it is and relative is where it's headed industry wide but I guess you missed that little tidbit signed by the president as well. The easts' non sense along with APA dictatorship over the TWA people got the attention of congress. This mass raping of people has come to an end you just refuse to aknowledge it...

The TWA debacle is just one more item to add to the list of why we need to change. How is the lawsuit against ALPA going over that?

As far as dictatorships are concerned, you can spout off all you want, the simple fact is, it will only be a one sided union if you and your brethren choose not to participate. Believe me, you will have just as much chance as I do. The choice is yours.

You can cling to your position all you want on seniority. We may win or we may lose, but the simple fact of the matter is, ALPA is toast at USAirways. Lets Vote!!!

 

[flynomore]

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Relative seniority is what it is and relative is where it's headed industry wide but I guess you missed that little tidbit signed by the president as well. The easts' non sense along with APA dictatorship over the TWA people got the attention of congress. This mass raping of people has come to an end you just refuse to aknowledge it...

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Pause for just a moment and truly think what the end result of 'relative seniority' will create. If that doesn't rattle your cage, then you must not be all that good at making crossing restrictions either.

The bottom of the list at every company would be forced to chase ever illusive 'growth' in the faint hope that they end up relatively senior just in case. How would that effect contract negotiations? Longevity pay? Vacation? Retirement, or what remains of it? Management would have an ever larger lever, bigger than the one we are seeing right now as a result of this silly arbitration.

Try for once to take a longer view my friend.

 

[prechilill]

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Pause for just a moment and truly think what the end result of 'relative seniority' will create. If that doesn't rattle your cage, then you must not be all that good at making crossing restrictions either.

The bottom of the list at every company would be forced to chase ever illusive 'growth' in the faint hope that they end up relatively senior just in case. How would that effect contract negotiations? Longevity pay? Vacation? Retirement, or what remains of it? Management would have an ever larger lever, bigger than the one we are seeing right now as a result of this silly arbitration.

Try for once to take a longer view my friend.

The entire piloting profession, congress and the unions disagree with your opinion.

 

[AWA320]

Can't wait for your next video! Any projecgted release date or previews yet?

What video???? What are they about???