US Airways Pilots' Labor Discussion 4/2-4/8

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I think that a damages should be pursued against the principals of USAPA primarily for the message it would send to would-be extremist "leaders" that they would be held responsible for their destructive actions. Perhaps this would attract more reasoned and mature individuals into those positions.

A leader who stood up and said,

"I'm not going to let fear mongering and the agenda of those who want to perpetuate the civil war stand in the way of this pilot group moving forward in unity. We have spent the past year wallowing in the mistakes of the past. It is time to accept the Nicolau list and engage those in the west who have been leading the AWAPPA and AOL movements and work on crafting a joint contract that will meet the needs of the entire pilot group going forward. The seniority benefits of operating under separate operations since the PID has been substantial for the east pilot group, but separate operations is unsustainable over the long-haul. The gains possible through a unified effort far outweigh the risks of delayed promotions or furloughs. For that reason, we are today shifting our focus from DOH, abandoning the lawsuits brought against certain west pilots and instituting an amnesty program that will give west pilots 60 days to become current in their dues and also reaching out to the west by appointing the former leaders of AOL and AWAPPA to the negotiating committee so that our entire pilot group can benefit from their collective experience with negotiating with our current management. All the members will retain their right to accept or reject their negotiating efforts through the ballot box, but we must have something upon which to vote. Anything less would be abdicating our responsibility to the entire pilot group."

would be just what this group would need to move forward and really serve ALL the pilots of USAirways. The current strategy of division and fear mongering has failed. The pilots should be allowed to choose progress for themselves, rather than being forced to accept the status quo.
 
Nic,

Separate ops doesn't work for me either because I don't want the management of this company to have any advantage over us-PERIOD!!!

Also, about the intermix, I am an eternal optomist. I feel we could work together just fine. We are professional aviators and I know we can set aside our differences because of the responsibility we have that sits behind a"closed door".

Agree to this too.
Already said I wanted to fly with nycbusdriver, but that was before I found out he does not fly the 330.
 
Fact check, Nic4. ALPA-MEC-EAST walked out of negotiations. They don't represent us anymore. No East/West, just one union: usapa. Also, "walk-out" was in June 2007. ALPA given the boot in April 2008. Where you getting that "over 1 year?" Just one more example of your exageration trying to stretch an invalid point. And WHERE in the TA is a refusal to negotiate a triggering mechanism?

Snooper-dooper

Snooper,

I did post before fact checking. I was going from memory of the McIlvenna out of seniority downgrade greivance. But since you pointed it out I went back and re-researched some ot this. Could not find when ALPA-East walked out so I will take your word it was June 2007. Did find a letter McIlvenna sent to Bradford April 2008 requesting section 6 negotiations for the West, funny thing I did not notice before was McIlvenna said he had secured a negotiation date in May 2008, did USAPA cancel that? all I know was I read Bradfords reply stating that USAPA would not negotiate on the West behalf, only for the joint contract for all pilots. When was that first negotiating session? I think it was after June 2008, maybe you can find it and tell me for sure but as I recall it was over 1 year from the date East walked on negotiations.

The triggering mechanism is in the TA section IV, V and VI most in the intent of VI Operational pilot integration.
 
It is my sincere hope, even at this late date, that the two pilot groups can still achieve some sort of solution which is mutually agreed upon. Any other outcome will likely lead to yet more litigation and prolong our mutual agony.

The best solution is a solution which the pilots agree to amongst themselves. An imposed solution, either by an arbitrator (history) or a jury (prediction), will only act to harden each side's resolve.
The problem is that USAPA set up a structure that leaves no entity to negotiate for the West side.

Jim
 
The problem is that USAPA set up a structure that leaves no entity to negotiate for the West side.

Jim

The West never allowed the East a chance to prove themselves. No cooperation, no dues payers. Criminal acts were committed to try to cause their demise. Abundant evidence of this.

The East proceeded in a matter allowed by law, Every West move was an illegal move, caustic strategy.
 
The West never allowed the East a chance to prove themselves. No cooperation, no dues payers. Criminal acts were committed to try to cause their demise. Abundant evidence of this.

The East proceeded in a matter allowed by law, Every West move was an illegal move, caustic strategy.

None of which will see the courtroom. Although I kinda like the idea of cross examination regarding the RICO suit. How's that going again? :lol:
 
Nor mine!! even though I 've been refused on a West J/S.

The East claims of jump seat denial are all substantiated by evidence and the complaints directed through the proper channels.

West pilots have allegations, transmitted on this web site and are not substantiated by evidence or a paper trail.
 
The East claims of jump seat denial are all substantiated by evidence and the complaints directed through the proper channels.

West pilots have allegations, transmitted on this web site and are not substantiated by evidence or a paper trail.

Well except for Boss Hogg's comments during a crew news session.... :lol:
 
Hmmm. It would be wise to ask how we got to that point. Surely there would be no catalyst sufficient to create such discontent absent some one sided (and therefore DFR failure), arbitrary handling of an already decided process. Would there? :rolleyes:

Your are an anarchist, complaining about anarchy.
 
Criminal acts were committed to try to cause their demise. Abundant evidence of this.

Come on man, you're this close, you can do it, post a link to that original rico complaint. It's usapa's finest work, you should post that up and bask in the glory, you know for old times sake.
 
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