IAM Fleet Service topic 18 June-

[pjirish317]

Isn't it the ND negotiating at UA? Sounds as if the ND isn't concerned with the acceptance of a harsh policy. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Attendance policy in force at UA already?

I have no idea about UA's attendance policy. So I can't tell you what is or isn't in palce there. Do you know who is on the NC for UA? It is not just ND people. What I can tell you is that if it was accepted in negotiations, Section six, like you say, it would not go into effect until the whole agreement is ratified by the membership. What do you want the NC to do, put everything that they negotiate out for a vote, article by article? What is the concern with UA anyway?

PS-how would you know what the UA NC accepted in Section Six? It wouldn't be your source for the so called healthcare settlement would it?

 

[700UW]

UA called (dont know if they still do) a reliability policy.

 

[P. REZ]

I have no idea about UA's attendance policy. So I can't tell you what is or isn't in palce there. Do you know who is on the NC for UA? It is not just ND people. What I can tell you is that if it was accepted in negotiations, Section six, like you say, it would not go into effect until the whole agreement is ratified by the membership. What do you want the NC to do, put everything that they negotiate out for a vote, article by article? What is the concern with UA anyway?

The point is that when in negotiations it is a process by which decisions have to be made. If you want better scope or pay perhaps the attendance policy will stay. Not everything will be roses when a ta is put to a vote. RD of the ND realizes this and has accepted a harsh attendance policy for better scope and or pay. That is something we will be forced to deal with in our section 6 negotiations.

With current estimates at the following airlines excluding AA here are some numbers to think about. For every 1 billion of revenue the following is projected profits through 2011:

LCC 34 Million
DAL 57 Million
LUV 60 Million
CAL 41 Million
UAUA 47 Million

Looks as if LCC is bringing up the rear which will make it tough to be equal to other legacy airlines.

Call RD on whether he accepted the attendance policy. I believe I heard this from US ND.

 

[pjirish317]

The point is that when in negotiations it is a process by which decisions have to be made. If you want better scope or pay perhaps the attendance policy will stay. Not everything will be roses when a ta (or in negotiations) is put to a vote. RD of the ND realizes this and has accepted a harsh attendance policy for better scope and or pay. That is something we will be forced to deal with in our section 6 negotiations.



Call RD on whether he accepted the attendance policy. I believe I heard this from US ND.

Why not state it this way in the first place? Any reasonable person knows this. Why try to bash the UA NC the way you did. Alot of things can be accepted in negotiations. The membership will be the ones to ultimately accept it or not. You know this don't you? They (the UA membership) will decide, individually, what is best for them and vote accordingly.

 

[roabilly]

Didn't the Union at UA accept an attendance policy similar to ours in section 6 negotiations without putting it to a vote of the membership?

Did you really just say this? How in the h*** do you go through section six negotiations, reach a tentative agreement, and not present everything in it’s entirety for the Membership to vote on? What do you think a tentative agreement is for?

For a negotiated contract to become a CBA...the Membership must be provided with all the information regarding the tentative. It is then up to the Membership to ratify the tentative before it can actually become a CBA!

 

[P. REZ]

Did you really just say this? How in the h*** do you go through section six negotiations, reach a tentative agreement, and not present everything in it’s entirety for the Membership to vote on? What do you think a tentative agreement is for?

For a negotiated contract to become a CBA...the Membership must be provided with all the information regarding the tentative. It is then up to the Membership to ratify the tentative before it can actually become a CBA!

I believe they are under this attendance policy already without voting on it. Regardless of whether this is in place it gives you an idea of the harshness that can come in section 6. For better scope or pay they will include this in their ta if it isn't already in place.

Whether in or out of section 6 negotiations deals can be struck based on the current CBA.

 

[roabilly]

RD of the ND realizes this and has accepted a harsh attendance policy for better scope and or pay. That is something we will be forced to deal with in our section 6 negotiations.

Call RD on whether he accepted the attendance policy. I believe I heard this from US ND.

RD never accepted anything concerning attendance period! The attendance policy was initiated AFTER we had reached our present Canale T/A! The IAM immediately filed a grievance on this policy and it continues today. This situation consequently awaits resolution through the grievance process.

 

[pjirish317]

I believe they are under this attendance policy already without voting on it. Regardless of whether this is in place it gives you an idea of the harshness that can come in section 6. For better scope or pay they will include this in their ta if it isn't already in place.

Whether in or out of section 6 negotiations deals can be struck based on the current CBA.

News flash for you, we are also! This was done by canoli and his merry band of cronies. NOT THE ND PEOPLE! Do you honestly think that we do not understand the "harshness of negotiations"? Really? And you are correct about the second part, deals can be made outside of negotiations. That was however canoli's MO, not the New Direction people. Honestly, where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[P. REZ]

RD never accepted anything concerning attendance period! The attendance policy was initiated AFTER we had reached our present Canale T/A! The IAM immediately filed a grievance on this policy and it continues today. This situation consequently awaits resolution through the grievance process.

Talking about UA not US here.

 

[P. REZ]

News flash for you, we are also! This was done by canoli and his merry band of cronies. NOT THE ND PEOPLE! Do you honestly think that we do not understand the "harshness of negotiations"? Really? And you are correct about the second part, deals can be made outside of negotiations. That was however canoli's MO, not the New Direction people. Honestly, where do you come up with this stuff?

Call the ND on this one, it was RD who has accepted this now or as part of the TA. I'm not bashing, just stating a point here as the current feel seems to be that our section 6 under the ND is going to make the perfect ta.

 

[pjirish317]

Talking about UA not US here.

You brought it up, or did you forget. Why must you insist on upseting the District here. What is it going to get you? Do you know what UA's NC might have gotten in return for "alledgedly" accepting this? Once again, half of the story. Seems to be a pattern here.

 

[roabilly]

News flash for you, we are also! This was done by canoli and his merry band of cronies. NOT THE ND PEOPLE! Do you honestly think that we do not understand the "harshness of negotiations"? Really? And you are correct about the second part, deals can be made outside of negotiations. That was however canoli's MO, not the New Direction people. Honestly, where do you come up with this stuff?

P.J.

Please correct me if I’m wrong... but don’t post ratification amendments to the CBA require a Letter of Agreement (LOA)? And yes... Canale was famous for these... just look in the back of our current agreement!

However... you will not find a single LOA regarding the attendance policy with RD’s name on it!

 

[P. REZ]

You brought it up, or did you forget. Why must you insist on upseting the District here. What is it going to get you? Do you know what UA's NC might have gotten in return for "alledgedly" accepting this? Once again, half of the story. Seems to be a pattern here.

Scope, 600 jobs in ORD??? Like I said before I'm not bashing, RD and the UA NC will be faced with many tough decisions which may or may not be popular. Our NC will be faced with numerous challenges along the way too!!!

 

[john john]

PREZ,

What exactly does this have to do with US? Also, if it was in Section six, like you say, it would be part of the whole agreement for the membership to vote on. Like Wages, Vacation, ect. ect. Just because the NC accepted it in Section six, dosen't mean the members will accept it until the whole agreement is put to a vote.

Sounds familiar US management will go down the same road



http://www.iam141.org/archives/JobSecurity091409.html
We were able to reach an agreement with United Airlines over the most important issue facing our membership – job security. Our agreement addresses the work that 700 members perform in ORD every day in support of the United Express operation. Each suggestion we made had a dollar figure which was compared to what it would cost United to switch to another company
In response to a Company suggestion, we began evaluating their proposed Dependability program. However, in trying to find ways to bridge the gap of the vendors costs we began researching these type of programs already in effect at other companies
This agreement has been reviewed with all levels of our Union – the Negotiating Team, the Executive Board, our International, and Legal Dept. to make sure that it stayed within the boundaries of our contract.
While this agreement prevents the loss of 700 jobs in ORD immediately,

 

[pjirish317]

Call the ND on this one, it was RD who has accepted this now or as part of the TA. I'm not bashing, just stating a point here as the current feel seems to be that our section 6 under the ND is going to make the perfect ta.

Make no mistake. I know the ND can't get us here a "perfect T/A". The will however do the best that they can, with the member's best interest in mind. I also believe that they will listen to what the membership wants, not what the NC thinks that we want. Honestly PREZ, what is your deal with the ND?