IAM Fleet Service topic 11/6-

[necigrad]

If you blow ANYTHING other then .000 or test positive for ANYTHING you are into the Substance Abuse rules. The IAM CBA has nothing in it to protect you. Quite simply, if you test positive at any level for anything prohibited in both samples (or in the case of alcohol a second breathalizer) and it can not be legitimatly substantiated (I've heard of dentists in certain countries using cocaine instead of novicaine) you're gone, end of file. All the CBA does is require a second test, which AWA always had, though I don't know about USA. If you're drunk or high, don't come to work. If you do and you get randomed or reasonable suspissioned, you're gone. The Union can fight as hard as you want, but if you were under the influence you're in for a hell of a shock when you come off your high.

 

[goodfellow]

And that's a shame... I guess we will wait for someone to die before changing that rule. I have said many times before that laws are written in blood insofar it takes a death before the laws are changed. So let's become the Big Enablers in allowing people to be drunk up to the point they are busted and excuse them with the "understanding" the drunks won't admit or seek help otherwise... screw that!

Someone injures me on the job while they are drunk, there will probably be two terminations... one for the drunk and the other for me beating the living crap out of the drunken fool while on the job.

So Provokes Jester.

Alcoholism is a disease which affects all walks of life. Including Management, just ask Doug?

 

[alpha7]

maybe with the influx of the LAS folks things will start to change in a positive way for PHX . lets keep our fingers crossed.

What is wrong with PHX? The Committee is doing a great job. We had the "LAS invasion" come into PHX already and they have done nothing.

On a side note I have been to a few meeting in PHX and there are so many different airlines that by the time reports get read, most people are half asleep. That is why no one comes.

 

[Tally yo]

Necigrad, its not true, If you eat foods that have hemp oil in them it tends to show a positive for Marijuana. Therefore just because you test positive it doesnt mean your terminated. as far as Blood Alcohol Level, I beleive if you are at or below .03, you are placed in the "Program"

 

[freedom]

Alcoholism is a disease which affects all walks of life. Including Management, just ask Doug?

he's got a point here ....

As to your points jester , i sort of agree ... but at the same time , i sort of feel bad for anyone who has a sibstance abuse problem too ....

eh , i'm conflicted ... :wacko:

 

[freedom]

What is wrong with PHX? The Committee is doing a great job. We had the "LAS invasion" come into PHX already and they have done nothing.

On a side note I have been to a few meeting in PHX and there are so many different airlines that by the time reports get read, most people are half asleep. That is why no one comes.

BINGO!!!!! WINNER !!!!!!! WINNER!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jester]

Alcoholism is a disease which affects all walks of life. Including Management, just ask Doug?

Mr. Goodfellow,

When "Doug" starts to operate a push tug, bag tug, a belt loader or an Airbus on the ramp, then it becomes an issue for me... what he does on his own time isn't my problem or my concern and let the police handle it. If someone can't control this "disease" then find another occupation, because we all know the rules and consequences.

"This is the life we have chosen." -- Hyman Roth, The Godfather, Part II

So Recounts Jester.

 

[700UW]

It wasnt on his own time, he was representing US Airways at a Golf Tournament

 

[necigrad]

Necigrad, its not true, If you eat foods that have hemp oil in them it tends to show a positive for Marijuana. Therefore just because you test positive it doesnt mean your terminated. as far as Blood Alcohol Level, I beleive if you are at or below .03, you are placed in the "Program"

Quite simply, if you test positive at any level for anything prohibited in both samples (or in the case of alcohol a second breathalizer) and it can not be legitimatly substantiated (I've heard of dentists in certain countries using cocaine instead of novicaine) you're gone, end of file.

It IS true, you just need to read what was said. And as to you're allegation of the .003, well you're sorta right, and yet wrong. The Feds say anything under (or maybe including, can't remember with absolute certainty) .004 is legal. The glitch is the Company policy is that if the Federal test is anything other then .000 they immediatly do a Company test. That Company test will repeat the result and result in the employees termination, looping back to the if you blow anything other then .000....

The only way to get into "the program" is to admit to the problem before caught. I don't know the specifics on exactly where in the accident timeline the admissio needed to be, but I'm of the opinion that if the admission comes after being notified of needing to test or post accident it should be regjected as an admission as it's an attempt to avoid termination after the fact, not an honest upfront admission.

 

[Jester]

It wasnt on his own time, he was representing US Airways at a Golf Tournament

700UW,

I'm sorry, which belt loader was "Doug" driving on a public street? I assume it was a belt loader as it about the only piece of equipment on the ramp outside of a lav truck that can keep-up with street traffic and fit on a four lane road. Oh wait, it was his own car? And not on the ramp? And he was leaving a company event, but he was on his own time? I can see your confusion, because the situation of an intoxicated ramp agent operating company equipment on a very restrictive airport area during company time could easily be confused for an off-duty drunken executive driving his own car on a public street... my bad.

So Chortles Jester.

 

[Tally yo]

Necigrad, Ask you Grievance committee, they know there has been people in vegas who blew over .000 and under .03 and maintained their jobs through the process. I know confidentiality is prudent but they can confirm without saying who it was. Freedom we have a winner on what note, people in PHX dont go to meetings? please elaborate

 

[700UW]

Jester,

Dooggie's job is to be the CEO, not a ramper, he got drunk as the CEO representing US Airways, got in a car and drove drunk, used poor judgment, and it was his THIRD TIME, no excuse.

 

[freedom]

Necigrad, Ask you Grievance committee, they know there has been people in vegas who blew over .000 and under .03 and maintained their jobs through the process. I know confidentiality is prudent but they can confirm without saying who it was. Freedom we have a winner on what note, people in PHX dont go to meetings? please elaborate

That the meetings are long and dull and we have to listen to all the other airlines.

 

[P. REZ]

I would like to take a moment and remind our GC's system wide that we as members of this UNION
PAY to be represented at all levels and god forbid a member is fired, they are ENTITLED to their day in court
NO GC or AGC should deny said employee of that. Even if the case doesn't look favorable. The member should
be the only person declining to push it up the ladder.
Having had numerous discussions with my fellow co-workers, some suggest that maybe the union send some
experienced East GC folks out west to educate them on how the IAM does things. I know the Old regime and
some EX TWU folks believed in horsetrading grievances> But I have to take a stand (as a dues paying member) and say its Intolerable for a leader of a union to deny a terminated employee his day in court.
WE PAY FOR REPRESENTATION . PERIOD.
For those not familiar with horse trading here goes.
for example. Say there's a squabble going on in say Boise ID ( I picked that cause I had a killer Baked potatoe for dinner) and we have a terminated employee in say Las Vegas. IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS should one grievance
be traded or try to be traded for the other. To try and throw a terminated employee's grievance under the bus for a squabble in Boise is just not acceptable. Everyone should get there day in court regardless if you like
them or not or if they are FT or PT.


Sidenote: Not quite sure what happened to him . I would really like to hear Tim Nelson's view on this since he's been a Grievance Chair for many years. So Tim if your lurking on the boards. would love to hear your prospective on this. and maybe you can give us a "Half time Report" on how the New Direction is playing out.

Sorry for the long post. Sometimes I just can't stop myself

Oman,

With TWU's structure the V.P. 1 and 2 handled grievances for the most part and I'm sure if you ask around you will find out who those individuals were. I can't recall any horse trading from these individuals. You could personally ask one of them.

P. Rez

 

[orioleman]

What is wrong with PHX? The Committee is doing a great job. We had the "LAS invasion" come into PHX already and they have done nothing.

On a side note I have been to a few meeting in PHX and there are so many different airlines that by the time reports get read, most people are half asleep. That is why no one comes.

Alpha ,
Good point . thats why I was asking a few pages back . HOW involved OUR people were at the LOCAL level. All I got was some lip service

from the GC about how good of a job he's doing . But didn't address the question at hand.

If US Fleet had more people involved at the local level. then there would be more interest for our membership to attend. Again it takes People to Step up

and run for office. Something very lacking in PHX. I see few followers and even FEWER leaders out there in the desert.

Take a cat like jester. has more opinions than molecules in his brain but "doesn't really want to get involved " just wants to arm chair QB and tell everyone what

they are doing wrong