IAM Fleet Service topic 11/6-

[28L_or_10R?]

Full time vacancies are in BDL, BWI, DCA, DEN, EWR, PHL, TPA

The openings are primarily in DCA and PHL with the other stations having one maybe
two openings at each.

Part time vacancies are at ABQ, BDL, BWI, CLT, DCA, EWR, IND, MCI, MIA, MSY, PHL and TPA

You will not get relocation assistance if you transfer to a part time vacancy.

I'm hearing from different stations that ones that you noted were on the list and then others got something completely different. Maybe they got their facts wrong. I dunno.

For folks filling out these lists in their packages, feel free to write any city you want, even if it isn't on the list. No rule against that.

 

[orioleman]

I would like to take a moment and remind our GC's system wide that we as members of this UNION
PAY to be represented at all levels and god forbid a member is fired, they are ENTITLED to their day in court
NO GC or AGC should deny said employee of that. Even if the case doesn't look favorable. The member should
be the only person declining to push it up the ladder.
Having had numerous discussions with my fellow co-workers, some suggest that maybe the union send some
experienced East GC folks out west to educate them on how the IAM does things. I know the Old regime and
some EX TWU folks believed in horsetrading grievances> But I have to take a stand (as a dues paying member) and say its Intolerable for a leader of a union to deny a terminated employee his day in court.
WE PAY FOR REPRESENTATION . PERIOD.
For those not familiar with horse trading here goes.
for example. Say there's a squabble going on in say Boise ID ( I picked that cause I had a killer Baked potatoe for dinner) and we have a terminated employee in say Las Vegas. IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS should one grievance
be traded or try to be traded for the other. To try and throw a terminated employee's grievance under the bus for a squabble in Boise is just not acceptable. Everyone should get there day in court regardless if you like
them or not or if they are FT or PT.


Sidenote: Not quite sure what happened to him . I would really like to hear Tim Nelson's view on this since he's been a Grievance Chair for many years. So Tim if your lurking on the boards. would love to hear your prospective on this. and maybe you can give us a "Half time Report" on how the New Direction is playing out.

Sorry for the long post. Sometimes I just can't stop myself

 

[Tally yo]

Geez I dont read or log-in for about a week and everything goes ballistic!!!! P Rez if you have ever heard an arbitration grievance you would know that if you rely on a 3rd party like an ex girl friend its call hearsay. Chock Jockey your right lets move forward. O-man Horsetrading is a SIN and I hope its not happening, that said, Cant we all just get along???? Well I understand if we cant with MGMNT, but Rez you seem obsessed with JN, If you keep your path make sure your closet is clean of cob webs I wouldnt want anyone in your life caught in a web or a web brought to them of your past, If you spew, be prepared to get spewed on. Rez get off the pot and do your job, your job will speak for itself!!!!!!! O-man good point, is anyone in PHX running for an officer position? You USair ramp agents have to be the dominant membership their, If all you USair rampers in PHX sit out how do you expect anyone to respect you, I mean seriously when Alaska employees have more seats than US ramp WTF kind of pull do you have. You PHX people better be prepared for an influx of LAS ramp who will turn out the vote and you may be placed on the bench once again. Giddy Up, Cowboys!!!

 

[7rings]

I would like to welcome any west coast guys that maybe coming to charlotte in this next round of bumps
having been displaced myself I can say the folks down hear welcomed me with open arms even though
I brought with me alot of time. the only problem I have is the commute.


GO

Steelers

 

[28L_or_10R?]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record... Please remind folks who are wanting to transfer in lieu of furlough that they are NOT limited to only the stations listed on their package. They are due Mondayn IIRC.

 

[alpha7]

"Even if the case doesn't look favorable. The member should
be the only person declining to push it up the ladder."

Sorry, but I disagree that the member should be the only person to decline to push it up the ladder. Every termed member should get their day in court, that is called Step 3. As for arbitration, only the grievances that have merit should be taken forward. The union's time and resources shouldn't be wasted on frivolous grievances.

 

[Couldbewrong]

Geez I dont read or log-in for about a week and everything goes ballistic!!!! P Rez if you have ever heard an arbitration grievance you would know that if you rely on a 3rd party like an ex girl friend its call hearsay. Chock Jockey your right lets move forward. O-man Horsetrading is a SIN and I hope its not happening, that said, Cant we all just get along???? Well I understand if we cant with MGMNT, but Rez you seem obsessed with JN, If you keep your path make sure your closet is clean of cob webs I wouldnt want anyone in your life caught in a web or a web brought to them of your past, If you spew, be prepared to get spewed on. Rez get off the pot and do your job, your job will speak for itself!!!!!!! O-man good point, is anyone in PHX running for an officer position? You USair ramp agents have to be the dominant membership their, If all you USair rampers in PHX sit out how do you expect anyone to respect you, I mean seriously when Alaska employees have more seats than US ramp WTF kind of pull do you have. You PHX people better be prepared for an influx of LAS ramp who will turn out the vote and you may be placed on the bench once again. Giddy Up, Cowboys!!!

in regards to people in phx its even hard to get phx rampers to show up to a union meeting, and i think right now there is one other person that qualifies to run for a officer position. That is to the best of my knowledge. Solidarity is really need in phx. But i could be wrong

 

[orioleman]

Sorry, but I disagree that the member should be the only person to decline to push it up the ladder. Every termed member should get their day in court, that is called Step 3. As for arbitration, only the grievances that have merit should be taken forward. The union's time and resources shouldn't be wasted on frivolous grievances.

alpha I agree, I guess I should have been more specific. I was referring to TERMINATION'S.

 

[orioleman]

in regards to people in phx its even hard to get phx rampers to show up to a union meeting, and i think right now there is one other person that qualifies to run for a officer position. That is to the best of my knowledge. Solidarity is really need in phx. But i could be wrong

Good point. In my station our GC give briefings and I know has advised our members on at least 4 occasions

what is required (min number of meetings) to run for office. and that the members need to get more involved

and show up at the meetings more than only when it's time to vote.

I think because of the education our GC has given our membership over the last 2 years is one reason we

have alot more participation in local elections. It would be easy for the incumbents to keep there mouth shut

and not say anything but thats not what their about , they welcome elections and want the MEMBERS to have a choice

maybe with the influx of the LAS folks things will start to change in a positive way for PHX . lets keep our fingers crossed.

 

[necigrad]

alpha I agree, I guess I should have been more specific. I was referring to TERMINATION'S.

I disagree with the distinction. ALL grievances need to be evaluated by the DL to go to arbitration. It matters not if it's a termination, bid error, or a writeup. EVERY grievance should be considered... and ALL frivolous grievances should not be continued. If someone gets terminated it should not be up to the terminated employee. If that were the case we might need to pay for arbitration on someone caught stealing from bags or showing up drunk and driving a tug into a plane. The Union is the control to prevent those grievances from going to arbitration and ensuring that the legitimate ones continue.

 

[freedom]

I disagree with the distinction. ALL grievances need to be evaluated by the DL to go to arbitration. It matters not if it's a termination, bid error, or a writeup. EVERY grievance should be considered... and ALL frivolous grievances should not be continued. If someone gets terminated it should not be up to the terminated employee. If that were the case we might need to pay for arbitration on someone caught stealing from bags or showing up drunk and driving a tug into a plane. The Union is the control to prevent those grievances from going to arbitration and ensuring that the legitimate ones continue.

If someone comes in drunk and gets terminated we should not dismiss it outright, they may have a drinking problem that may be curable with couseling and help.

 

[Jester]

If someone comes in drunk and gets terminated we should not dismiss it outright, they may have a drinking problem that may be curable with couseling and help.

Freedom,

We all know the rules on drinking and working as it is a condition of employment. If an employee has a substance abuse problem, then come clean with it and get counselling BEFORE the employee is busted. I do not tolerate fools kindly who claim to have a drinking or drug problem looking for sympathy or mercy after they have injured or killed someone or caused damage to an aircraft, all the while placing their co-workers and the traveling public at an unnecessary risk.

I feel so strongly about zero tolerance on the job, I wish Management would subject people to more random drug and alcohol testing, because I have my doubts about several co-workers who I just don't think are naturally whacked. After nearly a decade on the job and having never been given a random drug test, I have my doubts the tests are ever being administered except at the initial time of employment and after the fact of an accident.

So Loathes Jester.

 

[Tally yo]

Statistics show, most people who have drug or alcohol problems wont admit it or seek help until it hurts themselves in some way. As far as zero tolerance goes, you should read our contract, Its not zero Tolerance.

 

[goodfellow]

Statistics show, most people who have drug or alcohol problems wont admit it or seek help until it hurts themselves in some way. As far as zero tolerance goes, you should read our contract, Its not zero Tolerance.

Check article 28 page 113 M line 10?

 

[Jester]

Statistics show, most people who have drug or alcohol problems wont admit it or seek help until it hurts themselves in some way. As far as zero tolerance goes, you should read our contract, Its not zero Tolerance.

And that's a shame... I guess we will wait for someone to die before changing that rule. I have said many times before that laws are written in blood insofar it takes a death before the laws are changed. So let's become the Big Enablers in allowing people to be drunk up to the point they are busted and excuse them with the "understanding" the drunks won't admit or seek help otherwise... screw that!

Someone injures me on the job while they are drunk, there will probably be two terminations... one for the drunk and the other for me beating the living crap out of the drunken fool while on the job.

So Provokes Jester.