US IAM Fleet Service topic 9/23-

[28L_or_10R?]

Between the unknown number of vacant positions and the number who are willing to make the move will determine how many in PHX get actually bumped, but be assured, there is more than the 10 at-risk as you promised. As Las Vegas is suffering a 13% unemployment rate, I am sure the majority are willing to pack-up and hit US95 south.

If this all comes down to bumping junior people, then I hope that people don't go into this haphazardly thinking that they are going to PHX. These people will most certainly end up out east. PHL, CLT and DCA. They may end up in an eastern city where they cannot afford to live without moving into a commune of hippies or LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER. There won't be much picking and choosing. These people will go where the next bumpable slot is on the seniority list. If one accepts this option to bump and decides one doesn't want to move because one cannot afford to live in BOS, then one has resigned and will receive no benefits. Nothing, nadda, zilch. If this all comes down to bumping, things could get ugly.

 

[rat tales]

My droogs in LAS are telling me within the furlough packet there are 7 stations listed with full-time vacancies which should save some from being "Junioritized", but the total number of vacant positions are a mystery.

The vacancies are in BDL, BWI, DCA, DEN, EWR, PHL, and TPA

The last furlough, effective this month, demonstrated that only 36 out
of 240 wanted to move. The majority migrated to CLT. We have welcomed
40 transfers to CLT this week. CLT is full and has no vacancies.

PHL, on the other hand, had approximately 70 openings last time around,
and received maybe 5 transfers. "Lots of room at the PHL Lodge".

DCA will be increasing headcount for sure with all the additional slots.
I considered transferring to DCA back in '92 till I found out you have
to pack 5 to an apartment to make the rent affordable.

Word to the wise.... the AGC's are getting the word out to everyone looking
to transfer, that CLT is a city that mandates everyone have a custom seal.
This means that everyone who has legal skeletons in their closet need not
apply.
Additionally, these skeletons will disqualify you from working at stations that
work mail. There are city's that do not work mail and therefor do not require
a Postal background check. These are the ones that you might want to bid first!

And by the way, it's elfin magic

 

[28L_or_10R?]

The vacancies are in BDL, BWI, DCA, DEN, EWR, PHL, and TPA

Thanks for the cities. Not much selection. Looks like some Lost Vegans are going to PHL.

BDL - nice area. expensive

BWI - expensive

DCA - really nice area. you'll be living with hippies or in a cardboard box

DEN - nice city, decent cost-of-living. this would be on my list

EWR - can it actually get worse than PHL? you can't afford it, either

PHL - oy.

TPA - not bad. cruel summers. very senior station from what i've heard.

 

[P. REZ]

Jester,

I don't know what seniority list you were looking at but I assure you that the number of Full-time employees that will be affected by this furlough is 10 here in PHX. PERIOD. I would be willing to wager a bet on this number 10. If you can't get this process explained by someone in LAS I would be willing to go step by step and explain this process.

In the know

P. rez

 

[Tally yo]

Here it is from the Packet:
Vacancies: BDL, BWI, DCA, DEN, EWR, PHL, TPA...... iM SURE THERE IS PROBLY ONLY 1 IN EACH STATION.

Juniority: BDL, BWI, CLT, DCA, DFW, EWR, IND, MCI, MSY, PBI, PHL, PHX, PVD, RDU.


Jester, I bet no one ever told you, you could get bumped by vegas people when you voted yes for this contract!!! By the way P.REZ I know you were a proponent for union and you put yourself on the line to get union at HP however, I know and you know quote on quote "they are part time they dont need this like full timers do." PRez I applaud you for work on getting a union however I dis applaud you for your self discrimination of Part Time, especially in the attendance area. PRez just so you know us field stations are not fans of you, we never saw you when you were our Prez with TWU, you were too busy in your cushy office job.

So speaks Tally

 

[P. REZ]

Tally,

I do suspect you to be management because you are pretending like you can quote me bashing part-time. I assure you that I don't discriminate in any way who I help. As for going to every station when I was in office, no, I visited around half. Now take into consideration we never heard from several stations nor could we get contacts. As for whether field stations disliked me, how do you expect me to respond to that. I'm sure people in various stations liked, disliked, loved and hated me for various reasons including rumors, dislike for unions, etc., etc.

I do know that you don't really know me because if you did you would know that I fight hard for everyone, always. Go back to your fellow management friends, I personally don't need your negativity and false statements.

 

[blownkneesbob]

Thanks for the cities. Not much selection. Looks like some Lost Vegans are going to PHL.

BDL - nice area. expensive

BWI - expensive

DCA - really nice area. you'll be living with hippies or in a cardboard box

DEN - nice city, decent cost-of-living. this would be on my list

EWR - can it actually get worse than PHL? you can't afford it, either

PHL - oy.

TPA - not bad. cruel summers. very senior station from what i've heard.

Pretty accurate description of the above cities,
I don"t know how many people on here are actually going to be affected but if you know someone that is going to be affected . I would like to make a few suggestions for those folks , having 30 plus yrs in this industry and haven gone through a few transfers and even furloughs. I would like to give some things to think about
no.1 when thinking about what cities to put in for make sure you ONLY put down cities your willing to ACCEPT.
no2 Don't take for granted that this will be a temporary move. Hopefully it will be but its been my experience that when the company downsizes a city
as drastically as they did LAS and last year PIT. they don't have plans to return to that level of service. so if your in las and there are 20 or 30 people in front
of you its probably a good assumption that your number for recall is years away.
no3. Are you going to commute . IF so going to a hub such as PHL/PHX/CLT would be your best option . more people to swap with.
no4. Are you planning on moving there. whats the cost of living / schools / and job security in that new station. You don't want to transfer to say TPA and 6 mths
later get another packet due to future cutbacks.
Guys its a really hard choice and a choice that will dictate your future with this company. Good luck to all affected

 

[ChockJockey]

By the way P.REZ I know you were a proponent for union and you put yourself on the line to get union at HP however, I know and you know quote on quote "they are part time they dont need this like full timers do." PRez I applaud you for work on getting a union however I dis applaud you for your self discrimination of Part Time, especially in the attendance area. PRez just so you know us field stations are not fans of you, we never saw you when you were our Prez with TWU, you were too busy in your cushy office job.

Maybe your perspective is much better than mine from whichever field station employs you, but I work in PHX and have never seen or heard anything that indicates P.REZ is biased against part-timers or any of the membership. On the contrary I've only ever seen him open to the concerns of all members and working hard for their cases regardless of how many hours they're scheduled to put in. I think PHX has a very good GC now, and they've been rather busy, especially in dealing with the attendance policy...

 

[Tally yo]

Rez,
To me I would think that you and your former officers would have a duty to find out who your station reps were and to effectively represent the members. So In 3 years to say you only went to half the stations is very poor on your be half.

 

[Tally yo]

Maybe your perspective is much better than mine from whichever field station employs you, but I work in PHX and have never seen or heard anything that indicates P.REZ is biased against part-timers or any of the membership. On the contrary I've only ever seen him open to the concerns of all members and working hard for their cases regardless of how many hours they're scheduled to put in. I think PHX has a very good GC now, and they've been rather busy, especially in dealing with the attendance policy...

Chock,
Im not sure if your long time friends with PR, CL, but these guys sold us Field Stations out in the West, I hate to gripe on what happened in the past, but I will put my 401K on it that these guys thought they were gonna get jobs through Canale for throwing in the towel on TWU. I mean why else would CL, not run with Delaney, word is he was asked to join his team and backed out last minute, I know my city even nominated him. I know its behind us but us Field station people remember what they did. PR, CL same person just 20years younger, they are a spit'in image of each other, sorry CL if that is an insult, LMAO

 

[P. REZ]

Rez,
To me I would think that you and your former officers would have a duty to find out who your station reps were and to effectively represent the members. So In 3 years to say you only went to half the stations is very poor on your be half.

Tally,

You are entitled to your opinion, I would just appreciate that you talked to me and didn't take rumor and hearsay as to why you have certain opinions about me. Seven of our stations didn't have reps and yes we tried to get contacts to no avail. By the way, PHX had plenty of people that thought I should be there every day and never go anywhere else. TWU's structure was not very good for the America West employees but me and my team did the best we could.


Thanks for the positive feedback Chock Jockey and Black Magic!!!

 

[P. REZ]

Chock,
Im not sure if your long time friends with PR, CL, but these guys sold us Field Stations out in the West, I hate to gripe on what happened in the past, but I will put my 401K on it that these guys thought they were gonna get jobs through Canale for throwing in the towel on TWU. I mean why else would CL, not run with Delaney, word is he was asked to join his team and backed out last minute, I know my city even nominated him. I know its behind us but us Field station people remember what they did. PR, CL same person just 20years younger, they are a spit'in image of each other, sorry CL if that is an insult, LMAO

Tally,

I would never sell anyone out, nor would CL. Look at the LM 2 reports for the IAM and TWU since TWU backed out and you will see a payoff from IAM to TWU. JL of the TWU International and I had a falling out because I was left in the dark as to what he was negotiating with the IAM. He was trying to get a relationship like the Teamsters and CWA upstairs. Do your research and you will see. I met Canale once and that was when he came to PHX for a picket we had at corporate. CL backed out of the race for personal reasons which you would have to talk to him about. Get your facts straight before you spread your hate.

Knowledge and truth is powerful.

Rez

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Chock,
Im not sure if your long time friends with PR, CL, but these guys sold us Field Stations out in the West, I hate to gripe on what happened in the past, but I will put my 401K on it that these guys thought they were gonna get jobs through Canale for throwing in the towel on TWU. I mean why else would CL, not run with Delaney, word is he was asked to join his team and backed out last minute, I know my city even nominated him. I know its behind us but us Field station people remember what they did. PR, CL same person just 20years younger, they are a spit'in image of each other, sorry CL if that is an insult, LMAO

In defense of P.Rez, he was not the one who sold out the field stations. He was already back at work towing airplanes around when that backstabbery took place. The negotiating committee, RR, and Canale are responsible for the current situation in which we find ourselves. When I left PHX, I tried to get RR to commit to protecting the people at the stations. All I got from him was a response that one should never get too comfortable at a field station.

Truth be told, no one in PHX gave a rat's posterior about field stations. When I spoke in defense of field stations, the eyes would roll and there would be that "oh there he goes again with that field station stuff". Some would question the logic of keeping US Airways employees at a station like ICT. Well, the way I see it, when I first started we flew all 737s to ICT. Full 737s. It is not the fault of some rampers in ICT that the clowns in charge can't run an airline. The majority of the people in PHX wanted to see the stations outsourced because it meant more money in their pockets. Not sure about LAS but I'm sure it was the same there.

Now some on this board see irony that some in PHX could be bumped by Lost Vegans. The irony of that irony is that the people being bumped will be those with very little time and don't even know the story behind this shameful debacle. They are just poor schmucks that needed a job. They aren't the culprits. Now when we get to a person with some time in like board member Freedom and he gets bumped out - now that will be irony!

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Pretty accurate description of the above cities,
I don"t know how many people on here are actually going to be affected but if you know someone that is going to be affected . I would like to make a few suggestions for those folks , having 30 plus yrs in this industry and haven gone through a few transfers and even furloughs. I would like to give some things to think about

One thing I'd like to add is that on the list of your choices you can put down cities that aren't listed. If you want to go to PHX, put it down! If you want to live near Mickey Mouse, put MCO at the top! Sometimes people get fired, die, retire, whatever... There is no rule against writing other cities down on the sheet. A lady I work with who transferred here years back put this station on her list even though it wasn't on the list of available stations. Sure enough, someone died and she transferred here. Hey, things happen.

When are the lists due back?

 

[freedom]

I have no qualms about voting on a contract that had provisions to outsource our field stations in ,oh what was it, the middle of 2011 ?

If anyone cares to reread my debate on the issue they can go back through the board into the history , while I didn’t LIKE the idea I still supported the contract because I felt it was necessary to do so .

I believe as I did back then that US airways is a dying airline and that our days are numbered . As I understood it we were not suppose to lose these field stations until the agreed upon time and that was one of the reasons I voted for the contract .

What has happened to the field stations was something I didn’t predict .

I’m not going to hold your hands and tell you that everything is going to be all right . LOL heck I’ve been the one on here screaming “RUN THE SKY IS FALLING !!!†and I stand steadfast behind my view that the entire US economy is going right down the drain , and us along with it .

We will have this “layoff†discussion time and time and time again as the months pass ..



I also want to ask a quick question to anyone who might have experienced it ….

Say joe blow ends up bumping jane doe and transfers to XYZ city in another state , and then get’s laid off in XYZ state from the company , can he go back his original state and collect unemployment benefits , or will he get a full amount of unemployment in his new state ?

I’m quite worried about people transferring across the country only to get laid off again and then not end up getting unemployment benefits …