US IAM Fleet Service topic 9/23-

[The Janitor]

Tally,

I would never sell anyone out, nor would CL. Look at the LM 2 reports for the IAM and TWU since TWU backed out and you will see a payoff from IAM to TWU. JL of the TWU International and I had a falling out because I was left in the dark as to what he was negotiating with the IAM. He was trying to get a relationship like the Teamsters and CWA upstairs. Do your research and you will see. I met Canale once and that was when he came to PHX for a picket we had at corporate. CL backed out of the race for personal reasons which you would have to talk to him about. Get your facts straight before you spread your hate.

Knowledge and truth is powerful.

Rez

CL did not back out because of 'personal reasons' even though that might have been what he said. If so then he would have kept his word and excused himself from his new position after the race so it could have been assigned to someone else from PHX, presumably you. Instead he supported RR by handing him his job unopposed. End of story. Moving forward, CL has stayed involved and perhaps he is back in line.
Also, I'm convinced that chicken little screwed you over, so it's time for others to flush it.

 

[The Janitor]

Generally speaking PHX employees don't care about Field stations or even hubs but in all fairness you would probably find that employees in any one city don't necessarily care about people in other cities. I would hope that no other cities would be affected but the reality in this industry is that small cities get outsourced. I have spoken to corporate people in my capacity as GC in PHX and basically get the idea that if the field stations had a B payscale still they would possibly be cost efficient. Now, before anybody attacks me I don't agree with a B scale but the company may not be closing stations if it was still in place. I wish everyone much luck with this furlough.

P. Rez

You need to stop pontificating about the time you spend with corporate people and then coming on here talking down to the members as the mouthpiece of those corporate people. Do you think anyone is the slightest impressed? Your red highlighted idea is wrong so spew it out of your head. You don't think those you represent have heard that enough about "Well if we just had the B scale then...." ? You don't think those you represent have heard the word "Cost effective" about 1,000 times already from their manager? Save it Prez, nobody needs to hear management's song. It plays like a broken record.

The truth is that it is a lie and while I understand it being carried around by management, it is certainly a sad time when a union man [I know you are one] brings the management message with him on a website.

It's a lie because you make 'significantly' less on your A scale than persons at every major airline except Northwest. You make 'signiificantly' less on your A scale than even non-union Continental. You make 'significantly' less on your A scale than those on the small Alaska Airlines. The fact is that your "A" scale is the B scale of 1999. These people didn't get laid off because of some alleged B scale. They got laid off because management doesn't know what it's doing. Why put that burden on your members by even hinting that that burden is on them? They got laid off because your manager doesn't give a rip about them and would rather contract their butts out to someone making more money. You don't believe me? Look around and see how many other airlines are doing YOUR work with higher wages. Prez, it doesn't have a thing to do with what you make. You could be working for $9 bucks an hour and this management would still be running people out of town because of their hate for their employees. Fleet service gave and gave to management and then for me to read "Well if we had the B scale....." is just too much. Fleet service isn't responsible for these layoffs, management is.

Next time a manger tells you that, tell him that's BS and tell him the facts, better to do it right in front of the workers so they can finally see someone from PHX that has a set, understands the issues, and is quick witted enough to be ready with an answer.

Just keep all that talk about 'cost effective' to yourself. Better terms are COLA, industry standards...think and say those things. Those words cut management because those words represent fairness, which is what this should all be about. Members should never be reduced down to such derogatory terms as 'cost effective'.....it's cousin to servanthood. It's a management term, smash it down otherwise you may be at risk of the next term that will creep up in negotiations.....'cost neutral'.

 

[P. REZ]

You need to stop pontificating about the time you spend with corporate people and then coming on here talking down to the members as the mouthpiece of those corporate people. Do you think anyone is the slightest impressed? Your red highlighted idea is wrong so spew it out of your head. You don't think those you represent have heard that enough about "Well if we just had the B scale then...." ? You don't think those you represent have heard the word "Cost effective" about 1,000 times already from their manager? Save it Prez, nobody needs to hear management's song. It plays like a broken record.

The truth is that it is a lie and while I understand it being carried around by management, it is certainly a sad time when a union man [I know you are one] brings the management message with him on a website.

It's a lie because you make 'significantly' less on your A scale than persons at every major airline except Northwest. You make 'signiificantly' less on your A scale than even non-union Continental. You make 'significantly' less on your A scale than those on the small Alaska Airlines. The fact is that your "A" scale is the B scale of 1999. These people didn't get laid off because of some alleged B scale. They got laid off because management doesn't know what it's doing. Why put that burden on your members by even hinting that that burden is on them? They got laid off because your manager doesn't give a rip about them and would rather contract their butts out to someone making more money. You don't believe me? Look around and see how many other airlines are doing YOUR work with higher wages. Prez, it doesn't have a thing to do with what you make. You could be working for $9 bucks an hour and this management would still be running people out of town because of their hate for their employees. Fleet service gave and gave to management and then for me to read "Well if we had the B scale....." is just too much. Fleet service isn't responsible for these layoffs, management is.

Next time a manger tells you that, tell him that's BS and tell him the facts, better to do it right in front of the workers so they can finally see someone from PHX that has a set, understands the issues, and is quick witted enough to be ready with an answer.

Just keep all that talk about 'cost effective' to yourself. Better terms are COLA, industry standards...think and say those things. Those words cut management because those words represent fairness, which is what this should all be about. Members should never be reduced down to such derogatory terms as 'cost effective'.....it's cousin to servanthood. It's a management term, smash it down otherwise you may be at risk of the next term that will creep up in negotiations.....'cost neutral'.

Janitor,

I don't agree with a B scale, I have heard corporate people say that Canale and his boys were warned that if the B scale went away so would jobs but that Canale thought he needed to get rid of the B scale to get re-elected. I am not advocating a B scale nor am I naive enough to believe in corporate rhetoric. Don't kill the messenger. I do however believe that Canale would have been concerned about getting votes from the B scale people.

P. Rez

 

[Tally yo]

You of all people listen and Believe the Corporate Greed, have you not learned anything? Are you sleeping with management now?? LOL

 

[28L_or_10R?]

CHOO CHOO!! ( it's coming )

I'm sure then that when you and everyone else is on the street you will be patting yourself on the back for your prognostication skills.