IAM Fleet Service topic 11/6-

[Tally yo]

Jester, WTF does that mean?? I dont speak that language you spew, but if you want to come o CLT for a membership mTG we will accept you and have a throw down. By the way Jester, why did you take someone elses pic that was presented here?


Cant we all get along and fight Mgmnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dog Wonder]

Jester, WTF does that mean??

You never got an RSVP?

 

[The Janitor]

What??????????????I don't know what you are talking about but if bashing a GC who represents their members everyday and is supported locally is Unionism then I say you are mistaken bro.

P. Rez

I may be wrong but I think Oman is referring to you being management's messenger about the smaller stations. Your red ink suggested that you even believed what your manager said even though you don't support it. It was a lie and not worthy of any belief and it damn sure wasn't worthy of a GC being managements messenger. Let management bring its own message. Your job is to deliver messages from those you represent, and advocate them, and to reject those things which are lies from management that are derogatory by nature towards those you represent. It was a lie you brought forth that wasn't worthy. If you could substantiate it with evidence then that is something entirely separate, however you couldn't and didn't. Tally ho, brought forth evidence that proved it a lie.

Management already uses other airline personnel who make significantly more than fleet service does so the wage is clearly not as significant in the matter as your own opininon thinks. Also, when tracking non-union airlines, they often pay contractors more than their own employees. Employees are not well liked by airlines.

As far as bashing a GC, I'd prefer Oman keep the past the past, but when moving forward, let us not think that GC's are above the democratic process which involves discussion and dissention. The most revered of all is the rank and file, not the GC. The GC is to serve that which is represented and not the other way around. To that end, I think you and CL have done a decent job.

 

[P. REZ]

I may be wrong but I think Oman is referring to you being management's messenger about the smaller stations. Your red ink suggested that you even believed what your manager said even though you don't support it. It was a lie and not worthy of any belief and it damn sure wasn't worthy of a GC being managements messenger. Let management bring its own message. Your job is to deliver messages from those you represent, and advocate them, and to reject those things which are lies from management that are derogatory by nature towards those you represent. It was a lie you brought forth that wasn't worthy. If you could substantiate it with evidence then that is something entirely separate, however you couldn't and didn't. Tally ho, brought forth evidence that proved it a lie.

Management already uses other airline personnel who make significantly more than fleet service does so the wage is clearly not as significant in the matter as your own opininon thinks. Also, when tracking non-union airlines, they often pay contractors more than their own employees. Employees are not well liked by airlines.

As far as bashing a GC, I'd prefer Oman keep the past the past, but when moving forward, let us not think that GC's are above the democratic process which involves discussion and dissention. The most revered of all is the rank and file, not the GC. The GC is to serve that which is represented and not the other way around. To that end, I think you and CL have done a decent job.

Janitor,

You are correct when you say that GC's are not above the democratic process. My comments stem from O-man calling ex-TWU corrupt etc. He claims he thinks he met me or CL and that we weren't good enough to take out his trash. Look at the LM 2 reports for the IAM buyout of TWU to go away in this merger. He claims he'll show Jester what Unionism is all about. Well, unless he has substantiated proof that we are corrupt and not supported by the membership in PHX then I don't believe he knows what Unionism is all about.

P. Rez

 

[charlie Brown]

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Janitor,

You are correct when you say that GC's are not above the democratic process. My comments stem from O-man calling ex-TWU corrupt etc. He claims he thinks he met me or CL and that we weren't good enough to take out his trash. Look at the LM 2 reports for the IAM buyout of TWU to go away in this merger. He claims he'll show Jester what Unionism is all about. Well, unless he has substantiated proof that we are corrupt and not supported by the membership in PHX then I don't believe he knows what Unionism is all about.

P. Rez

Hey P. Rez, if youll remember, back when you were working for the twu, you did make a trip to clt, and told the clt people a lot of things that ended up not being true. Im not sure, but that might be when O-Man met you as did a lot of us. Maybe hes stating his opinion of you from that meeting. Im glad the people in phx support you, but a lot of people that met you in clt might have a different opinion.

 

[P. REZ]

Hey P. Rez, if youll remember, back when you were working for the twu, you did make a trip to clt, and told the clt people a lot of things that ended up not being true. Im not sure, but that might be when O-Man met you as did a lot of us. Maybe hes stating his opinion of you from that meeting. Im glad the people in phx support you, but a lot of people that met you in clt might have a different opinion.

Charlie,

What were those things I said that were untrue? I was answering questions about TWU's structure and what we thought about seniority. Yes, a lot of people wanted us to leave because they didn't want to take a chance at losing a Union if a vote took place, however we were generally accepted. We were told that many in CLT were interested in TWU. I'm sure the people that wanted us to leave thought I was bad and people that wanted us to stay thought I was ok. So, if Oman has a problem with me based on that time period what can I say?

P. Rez

 

[Jester]

Charlie,

What were those things I said that were untrue? I was answering questions about TWU's structure and what we thought about seniority. Yes, a lot of people wanted us to leave because they didn't want to take a chance at losing a Union if a vote took place, however we were generally accepted. We were told that many in CLT were interested in TWU. I'm sure the people that wanted us to leave thought I was bad and people that wanted us to stay thought I was ok. So, if Oman has a problem with me based on that time period what can I say?

P. Rez

Mr. Rez,

I had a very public and gracious offer from the esteemed, Mr. O-Man, to accompany him at a CLT union hall cotillion, which included a heaping of Carolina BBQ. Unfortunately, my dance card was already filled, and as such, and with profound regret, I politely declined. Perhaps, the Gentle Mr. O-Man might extend his invitation to you instead?

So Tootles Jester.

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie,

What were those things I said that were untrue? I was answering questions about TWU's structure and what we thought about seniority. Yes, a lot of people wanted us to leave because they didn't want to take a chance at losing a Union if a vote took place, however we were generally accepted. We were told that many in CLT were interested in TWU. I'm sure the people that wanted us to leave thought I was bad and people that wanted us to stay thought I was ok. So, if Oman has a problem with me based on that time period what can I say?

P. Rez

P. Rez, I wasnt saying you could do anything about it. Just trying to tell you how some people feel about you in clt. Its ok, nobody is liked everywhere.

 

[freedom]

P. Rez, I wasnt saying you could do anything about it. Just trying to tell you how some people feel about you in clt. Its ok, nobody is liked everywhere.

i'm liked right ? we're cool in PHL and CLT right ?

 

[orioleman]

Jester,
calling a truce (if for only 1 post ) .
we are 1 year into the terms of our new elected officers, just wondering and asking for a truthful straight answer if possible

what is your assessment of your AGC in PHX. 1. is he visible and available to the membership . 2. Have you had the opportunity to meet and

speak with him . 3. Do you think he has the ear on the membership. Again looking for a straight Non smart a** answer if possible

MC my AGC seems to pulling his weight and is making headway in clearing up alot of the old regimes step 3's


Just thought since we are halfway into some of these officers terms want a pulse on how there doing outside of my station

 

[orioleman]

Hey CB ,
where in the world is JOE DIRT.. still looking for his family or what ??

 

[charlie Brown]

Hey CB ,
where in the world is JOE DIRT.. still looking for his family or what ??

Hey Oman, nah Joe Dirts been out of commission for a little while, just seen him the other day and talked to him, tell ya more about it later. Yeah he should get back on here though. How about it Joe.

 

[The Janitor]

Hey Oman, nah Joe Dirts been out of commission for a little while, just seen him the other day and talked to him, tell ya more about it later. Yeah he should get back on here though. How about it Joe.

Roabilly too. Tell Roabilly that we miss him up here.

 

[Jester]

Jester,
calling a truce (if for only 1 post ) .
we are 1 year into the terms of our new elected officers, just wondering and asking for a truthful straight answer if possible what is your assessment of your AGC in PHX. 1. is he visible and available to the membership. 2. Have you had the opportunity to meet and speak with him . 3. Do you think he has the ear on the membership. Again looking for a straight Non smart a** answer if possible

MC my AGC seems to pulling his weight and is making headway in clearing up alot of the old regimes step 3's
Just thought since we are halfway into some of these officers terms want a pulse on how there doing outside of my station

Mr. O-Man,

They are as visible as you want them to be. Meaning simply, if I want to find them, I can find them, and yes, they are willing to answer questions (assuming they know the answers immediately). PHX is a much more laid-back environment than I suspect the East side to be in terms of union activism.

For better or worse, there is a greater degree of cooperation within the local union leadership and management than probably what you would want. There isn't the "Us vs. Them" mentality, unless it is a particularly egregious management action. I think sometimes what you consider P Rez to be a management mouthpiece is more of the communication from Managers, which isn't always a bad thing insofar it provides insights and informal warnings for crap to come down from above.

Honestly, I don't really keep track of various Step 3's progressions, as I am not all that involved at that level. I keep my nose clean, show-up for my part-time shifts on time, and get the hell out of there!

So Evaluates Jester.

 

[necigrad]

I've been quiet about PRez mostly, and I think you're all a bit confused about his positions. He is a man that will support his members as required to the fullest extent possible. He has no qualms about representation for full or part time, hard workers or lazy shits. If you need representation, he will represent you to the fullest. He, as a Union leader, also was privy to some Company positions as well as his own opinions. As a leader he needs to analyze everything put before him and make decisions. If the Company says "We can't afford to do this", and he agrees based on his own review, how does that make him a Company man? Unless I'm mistaken, the opposing side in any discussion, challenge, arbitration, negotiation, or fight can occasionally be right, and agreeing with this isn't collusion or surrender. There are also times when a fight, legitimate as it may be, is sometimes unwinnable. These are the decisions Union leaders need to make, and the often involve things that hurt the most; pay and jobs.

PRez is a duly elected GC member by his peers. Part of this no doubt came from how PHX feels he represented them. Maybe, instead of critisizing the man for actually expressing his opinions, instead of holding the inside, you should learn what assets he brings to the table and use them in our common fight, which is with the Company, not each other.