IAM Fleet Service topic 11/6-

[orioleman]

I have no hatred for anyone east or west. There's a big difference between what Randy did . Actually I did support Randy but a funny thing happened

and when a man stands right in front of you and LIES . That's where the line is drawn. Randy Lost touch with his membership and his goons were some of the most

inept people I ever talked to. Couldn't answer a question without calling Randy. So I guess what I'm saying is If our current leadership loses focus on the

membership and starts Lieing to the members then H*ll yeah I'll be the first to say get rid of them. But from what I have seen so far I don't foresee that

being a problem. The guys are working with cards that were dealt. Until we get a new deck of cards the jokers always going to come in to play.

Thanks for the answer on the local . My suggestion is get people willing to run for office get there meetings in and take over the local. A strong local brings

a stronger work group

 

[alpha7]

Boy for someone not who he claims to be SURE does know alot of personal info
must be his Girlfriend my bad. Sorry CL. As far as answering your question really didn't see much of one
mostly just bashing the AGC's out on an open public forum. I guess if you want to sling the mud you might
want to put on some old dirty rags cause inevitable it will come back to bite you in the arse.

Sorry to ruin your grand conspiracy but not CL. I know a lot of personal info about him because I have worked with him everyday for a long time. In fact you can ask anyone of his buddies in the A side BR and they will tell you the same things. I know he doesn't have any ambition to be an AGC because I asked him. He is open about going to school and I have met his GF, btw. So call me whatever you want but if you really looked into it, you probably could figure out who I am.

As far as "bashing" the AGC's sorry, I feel I have the right too since I voted for them (FYI, on the recommendation of CL). I have checked in on this board for years and decided to post when I saw you "bashing" PHX. The GC have helped out many people in PHX, myself included, and I don't understand why you give them such a bad rap.

 

[goodfellow]

Mr. Goodfellow,

Okay, simple assignment for the E-Board and other people in this union leadership... Let's see everyone's educational background from accredited universities and colleges, along with the degrees earned, the years in the institution, and the major. Furthermore, explain how their education has benefitted our union. Based upon my IAM four-colored fishwrapper I get in the mail, the E-Board isn't much more educated than the typical McDonald's restuarant work force, "Would you like fries with that CBA?"

Now think about this... Do you want your livelihood, your future, your children's future, and your retirement to be in the hands of people who aren't qualified for much of anything in the professional world? As much as you and others have this distain, dare I say, this anti-intellectual mindset, of educated and professional people because they remind your of corporate types, you need those people. You need to understand, those are the people who control your future.

Blame Boss Canale as he is the easy scapegoat, but which one of the E Board members is any different than those who rubber stamped this CBA? Maybe the New Direction team was running under something The Who crooned, "Don't Get Fooled Again," but refrained in finishing, "Meet the New Boss... Same as the Old Boss."

So let's see it... and I don't think it is too much to ask for the membership to learn of all the union's leadership's educational backgrounds. Who's first or "Would you like to Super Size that Question?"

So Orders Jester.

Jester, yes Jester, First your arrogance precedes better judgement that sometimes myself am guilty of! You speak as a knowlegable advocate yet you lack the experience of a true Unionist! Who cares about the educational backround of a group that has the testicular anatomy to take on the arrogant foes of corpurate greed? You yourself have the same personna of management mentality, (compliment) if you relish in being an individualist? Two of the ND US team carry pilot liscenses one has a NDT certification another has gone through all the leadership classes the IAM has offered and etc. etc.. They may not measure up to your corporate expectations but who are you??? Besides kissing your bosses ass and assuming you probably are a rodent that squeals on co workers? Have you ever slept on duty? and or bragged about it ? That is if the boss ever caught you he or she would let you go (because of your rodent abilities). Take your education where it can help you, leave the baggage people like myself to fight your type with titles. So emulates GF

 

[Jester]

Jester, yes Jester, First your arrogance precedes better judgement that sometimes myself am guilty of! You speak as a knowlegable advocate yet you lack the experience of a true Unionist! Who cares about the educational backround of a group that has the testicular anatomy to take on the arrogant foes of corpurate greed? You yourself have the same personna of management mentality, (compliment) if you relish in being an individualist? Two of the ND US team carry pilot liscenses one has a NDT certification another has gone through all the leadership classes the IAM has offered and etc. etc.. They may not measure up to your corporate expectations but who are you??? Besides kissing your bosses ass and assuming you probably are a rodent that squeals on co workers? Have you ever slept on duty? and or bragged about it ? That is if the boss ever caught you he or she would let you go (because of your rodent abilities). Take your education where it can help you, leave the baggage people like myself to fight your type with titles. So emulates GF

Mr. Goodfellow,

Surprised to see you reply... how's that list of educational degrees coming from the IAM leadership?

Oh wait... I think I hear something... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

So Whispers Jester.

 

[Jester]

O-man,

Last time I volunteered for something I was issued an olive green uniform and a rifle, and did a hitch longer than I desired. I then understood the meaning to the expression, "Don't volunteer for anything."

During the past couple of years on this board, I have loquaciously expressed my opinions and suggestions to my fellow fleet service agents. Frankly, the response has been hostile, angry, and rarely within the framework a tolerant exchange of ideas. Personally, I do not believe this to be a very conducive environment for me to offer my unpopular views to a less than receptive membership, while fully understanding that pure democracy would be more akin to mob rule than to "Robert's Rules of Order".

The problems we face as an organization are systemic, because we as a whole continue to embrace the failed ascension process of our leadership as being reasonable and successful, when in fact, it to be more akin to cronyism and political favorism. We, as a group, continue to make excuses for our collective failures by looking to blame prior leadership, corporate greed, membership malaise, etc. and in a couple of years forget this leadership didn't do any better than the prior leadership. It has been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. We recruit and elect from the same group of uneducated, semi-trained sycophants and get the same dismal results. We trust in people like ourselves, because we figure they have our best interests in mind, even though they are ill-equipped to handle the complexities of the job. This is what I mean by "systemic" it is throughout the entire organization, and you think I should somehow attempt to change people's thinking on my own? I think the Armed Forces is calling me back before I volunteer for that asssignment.

Only in a grassroots effort after years of failure will the membership begin to question the cabal's abilities and demand sweeping changes from an ad hoc of good ole boys club to a truly professional organization who are very different in terms of experience and education from the membership. This membership is not ready, and won't be ready until it is tired of losing and tired of hearing excuses.

So Imparts Jester.

 

[ChockJockey]

Boy for someone not who he claims to be SURE does know alot of personal info
must be his Girlfriend my bad. Sorry CL. As far as answering your question really didn't see much of one
mostly just bashing the AGC's out on an open public forum. I guess if you want to sling the mud you might
want to put on some old dirty rags cause inevitable it will come back to bite you in the arse.

All he did was share his recollections and opinions. Are you in a constant state of outrage? Hypertension is serious business.

They may not measure up to your corporate expectations but who are you??? Besides kissing your bosses ass and assuming you probably are a rodent that squeals on co workers? Have you ever slept on duty? and or bragged about it ? That is if the boss ever caught you he or she would let you go (because of your rodent abilities).

So when you can't comprehend another's argument you just make up nasty assumptions about them? Is this an important part of Unionism? I'm trying to take notes...

 

[Tally yo]

I hope you PHX people realize no one out west likes you, especially the field stations and if Im not mistaken LAS and PHX could care less about what the other is doing. Jester, If you are not willing to throw your name in the hat and step up to the plate to help the membership then you shouldnt speak. To sit and criticize and not help your membership you are no better than management. I applaud your vocabulary skills but if you wish to help your fellow co-worker STEP UP!!!!!!!!!!! Its easy to criticize when you hide behind an Avatar name, make yourself known like PRez and Tim Nelson even though he doesnt post anymore. Jester if all you want to do is hire lawyers to fight grievances tell your fellow co-workers to expect a dues increase because thats what will happen at $200 dollars an hour for lawyers. Its not about our leadership being out "schooled", its about our contract not having enough language to protect us, and "WE" as a member can blame no one but ourselves. If I remember you wanted this contract soooooooooo bad because of the MONEY, well you forgot about language and now you want to preach it. Please announce yourself and run I welcome your challenge and cobwebs too. BTW is CLs girlfriend Hot?????

 

[pjirish317]

Here is my 2 cents worth. This fight about the ability/inability of our current union leaders needs to stop. We are supposed to be here for each other, not fighting amongst ourselves about who, either in the company, or the union has a better education. We learn from our mistakes. Look at the last BK contract. A majotiry of my fellow brothers and sisters took the money for the Class II stations making less. It happened. Its now over, we move past it. The majority voted this POS agreement in, now we live with it, and get past it in the next round of negotiations. And for all of you in PHX. I really don't think you fully understand the depths of Canoli's trechery. All you saw from him was a TA that brought you guys a significant raise, in which he negotiated on his own, with no input from the NC. He continually sold Fleet Service out to the company, and then proclaimed his hands were tied, this was the best he could do. As far as his AGC's went, nothing got done. I was lied to by my former AGC, right to my face. These guys knew their days were numbered and left a huge mess for the current leadership. I challange anyone on here east or west that would be able to clear up all of the grievances that were left any better than the current AGC's are doing, on top of all that they are still getting. Plus deal with a company that drags their feet during the entire grievance process. This infighting needs to stop. And before anyone bashes me for the Class I/Class II remark, It was a mojority that voted it in, including Class II stations.

 

[orioleman]

O-man,

Only in a grassroots effort after years of failure will the membership begin to question the cabal's abilities and demand sweeping changes from an ad hoc of good ole boys club to a truly professional organization who are very different in terms of experience and education from the membership. This membership is not ready, and won't be ready until it is tired of losing and tired of hearing excuses.

So Imparts Jester.

HMMMM that's what we did. Except you didn't want no part of it . You got to remember you guys out west
came in on the Leadership problem we were having at the tail end. The membership was tired of the Lies and
deception and the good ole boy system . SO we VOTED THEM OUT. What we have now is a whole different
mindset and our UNION is finally moving in a New Direction. It's unfortunate that you guys believe that not to be
the case. The new regime is in office a little over a year and some think its time to tar and feather them cause
they haven't worked any miracles. I believe Tally ho touched on it in earlier post. The membership voted this in
so. So it is what it is . But remember and I'll say this nicely ..SCOPE and LANGUAGE are very very important to any contract. We lost alot of the language through our 2 BK . which by they way you weren't apart of. I
will say that when we do go into negotiations it will be completely different than with Canale. The membership
will have a say in what is going to be negotiated and RD will go through our contract Article by Article. He will
have VERY Competent people working with him, Don't know who they are but looking at UA and the way he's handling them , I am VERY VERY optimistic . Can't wait till 2012.
QUESTION : what are your peeps telling ya outta LAS . still holding on that 60 % relocating number.

Sidenote: PJ good to see your still breathing my little leprechaun buddy. Happy early Thanksgiving.
and your Dead on in your post. Glad you brought those points up. Sometimes we needed to be reminded of just how far we have come in the last 2 years.

 

[orioleman]

I would like to throw a shout out to the LAS Grievance Committee for working Tirelessly
the last week or so in helping the displaced folks get the information they need to make such a difficult
decision .

It's good to see that LAS made the right choice when they VOTED for these guys.

For anyone that maybe coming to CLT we welcome you with open arms. If you having any questions
about CLT just ask

 

[Jester]

I would like to throw a shout out to the LAS Grievance Committee for working Tirelessly
the last week or so in helping the displaced folks get the information they need to make such a difficult
decision. It's good to see that LAS made the right choice when they VOTED for these guys. For anyone that maybe coming to CLT we welcome you with open arms. If you having any questions
about CLT just ask

QUESTION : what are your peeps telling ya outta LAS . still holding on that 60 % relocating number.

O-man,

Just got off the horn with some of my LAS droogs, and based upon what I heard, if there were available pitchforks, along with ample supplies of hot tar and feathers, the No Direction 08 Teams President and his associate VPs would have been looking like the San Diego chicken after the break room meeting on Thursday afternoon. I have serious doubts anyone in LAS were thinking they made the "right choice" on electing these buffoons.

After weeks of hiding the number of openings in which stations, someone asked how the furloughed ramp agents would be assigned their new station as to whether it would require all the openings be filled first before juniority would take effect or juniority was possible regardless if the openings were filled entirely. According to my sources, Delaney said that if all the openings would need to be filled first before there would be any bumping in another station with no current openings, thus if there are any openings in PHL and not enough people bid those lines, then no one was transferring to CLT or PHX which have no openings. At that point complete pandemonium erupted with rampers getting in the face of your beloved leadership hurling insults and names at them, and I guess things become very ugly.

It appears that this was news to those being subject to being furloughed as management was telling that those FSA's subject to be "junioritized" did not require the opening being filled first. This information was presented with some of No Direction Team's VPs attending the meetings and failed to correct management at that time. Only after the bids were submitted did the No Direction 08 Team bother to provide the correct information as very few put down PHL and DCA on their bid sheets figuring their seniority would bump those in other stations with lower seniority mostly in CLT and PHX. I was told that PHL and DCA combined accounted for approximately 80 openings, and it is extremely doubtful that many of the 200 FT furloughs would have bid for those stations.

Now those FSA's are facing the reality they will be out of a job, due to the ineptitude and stupidity of the No Direction 08 Team's failure to disclose and correct the information being provided to the ramp. Shame as I was hoping a few of my droogs to be joining me in PHX, but it looks as if they will be joining the ranks of the unemployed in Las Vegas. Way to go, No Direction 08 Team for that screw job!

So to revise my predictions, assuming Delaney's understanding in the assignment of open positions to be correct, maybe 5% will actually make the transfer due to this union's screw-up, which would coincide with the total Delaney and his No Direction 08 Team voting percentage would receive if there was an election held today in LAS. Shall we ask LAS if they are tired of losing and hearing excuses yet? Maybe the union can blame Boss Canale too?

Maybe someone who was there in LAS could verify the story?

So Requests Jester.

 

[necigrad]

Just got off the horn with some of my LAS droogs, and based upon what I heard, if there were available pitchforks, along with ample supplies of hot tar and feathers, the No Direction 08 Teams President and his associate VPs would have been looking like the San Diego chicken after the break room meeting on Thursday afternoon. I have serious doubts anyone in LAS were thinking they made the "right choice" on electing these buffoons.

Let me put your doubts to rest. I am exceptionally comfortable with my choice.

I did not attend the meeting so cannot comment on it.

 

[Tally yo]

Jester, LMAO necigrad is from LAS, your source is bad and wasnt present!!!!!!! Jester keep it up your doing a good job hiding yourself and trying to stir things up!!!! If you dont have facts and didnt hear it yourself keep your Hearsay to yourself, all your doing is giving a bad name to yourself. Like I said before quit hiding throw your name out there and do a beter job, otherwise SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Jester, in regard to the angry folks in LAS, the information on bumping is in the contract. If these folks had read their contract there would have been less hystrionics in the break room that day. One cannot simply state that they want to transfer to PHX and bump out the junior guy. That's not very fair to the most junior person in PHX who has more junior people under him on the global seniority list.

The process is on page 47 of the contract.Bumping does not occur until ALL positions are filled.

 

[Jester]

Jester, LMAO necigrad is from LAS, your source is bad and wasnt present!!!!!!! Jester keep it up your doing a good job hiding yourself and trying to stir things up!!!! If you dont have facts and didnt hear it yourself keep your Hearsay to yourself, all your doing is giving a bad name to yourself. Like I said before quit hiding throw your name out there and do a beter job, otherwise SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!

Tally,

Yes, Necigrad is from LAS, and this is what he posted earlier with regards to the meeting, "I did not attend the meeting so cannot comment on it." It sounds as if Necigrad is not commenting either way on the matter, thus I wouldn't call that any support of your argument. Prehaps Necigrad could ask some of his LAS brothers who attended the meeting, as I understand there was 40+ people in the room, so surely he knows someone in attendence, and maybe report back to the room?

Just so you know, this morning I heard from another LAS person today who was in the meeting, and what I posted was true, except there was a clarification. It appears LAS management thinks the union is wrong on the matter, and they called the management person in charge of processing the furloughs to confirm that openings are not required to all be filled first before bumping is permitted. Honestly, I don't know who is correct on the matter as being either management or union in terms of the requirement to filling all the openings first. Either way, it is another screw-up by the Amateur Hour clowns running this union, because this issue was raised during the initial meetings when furloughs were announced!

Also I have read the section of the CBA regarding furloughs and it is vague enough to be read either way. For starters, there are not enough openings to be filled by the nearly 200 FT being furloughed as their are only 80 FT openings, thus juniority comes into play but it does not say, that openings must be filled first.

So Confirms Jester.