AWA ALPA Thread week of 9/21--9/27

[luvn737s]

None of the USAPA mouthpieces here has yet explained what their Plan B is if they are not successful in voting out ALPA. They have proven they are unwilling to accept a legal verdict that doesn't go their way.

I mean a viable plan B during mediation would have avoided all of this heartburn.

Does the east even bother with filing alternates when they fly, or do they keep shooting the same approach until they run out of gas and blame it on a conspiracy between the sky and gravity?

 

[luvn737s]

The Sandcastle crowd are fully aware of the two group's mutual hostility, and will take the fullest advantage of that via any JNC negotiations.

You give yourself alot of credit. The only hostility I've seen is on this message board and it pales in comparison to the hostility the USAPA leaders will face when they send out the first $3000 assesments to cover their mounting legal bills. ALPA will be back on property before the ink dries on the USAPA "konstitution".

 

[Phoenix]

.... we will become EAL vs CAL part two no doubt in my mind what so ever which wis extremely toxic.

So then you feel that USAPA would impose a seniority that the West would reject and find unjust.

And you would do everything in your power to prevent loosing what you perceive is your seniority.

Interesting. Just plain interesting.

I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[AWA320]

Sigh..I'll just leave that one mostly alone

This segment's worthy of some note though: "The company is getting rich off your BK contract East and that's not amusing at all it's fact!!!" Ahem...haven't you been one of most vocal AWA sorts with the "LIve on LOA93 forverver!!" BS?

"run a mock bid"...which would prove what? You've stated that you intended to "take an upgrade in PHL" asap...and generally otherwise pretend that everyone's happy out west. WTF do you want/need the Nic thing for then?

The Usual

Look Yes I have been poking at you just as much as you have at me/us!! I will never again in my career WILLINGLY commute transcon to upgrade, ain't gonna happen.

Yes man I want to get paid and make no secret of that fact! Yes we can continue down this path while Parker and Kirby continue to get rich off of bonuses while you live under a BK contract and I live under a substandard one as well. I/we are not your enemy EastUS and once you figure that out we will all be so much better off...

 

[EastUS]

Does the east even bother with filing alternates when they fly, or do they keep shooting the same approach until they run out of gas and blame it on a conspiracy between the sky and gravity?

As recent memory serves? I believe it's the west that likes to hold for 45 minutes on a single engine just to burn down fuel to "normal landing weight"..but let's not go into professional thoughts here son...we all can make grievous errors as humans As for: "You give yourself alot of credit. The only hostility I've seen is on this message board and it pales in comparison to the hostility the USAPA leaders will face when they send out the first $3000 assesments to cover their mounting legal bills. ALPA will be back on property before the ink dries on the USAPA "konstitution"." Wow!!....and you guys out there tout the east's tendancy towards prior contract provisions surrender in BK courts. You seem willing to give up easilly...perhaps we're not so disposed this time around.


AWA320: "/we are not your enemy EastUS and once you figure that out we will all be so much better off..." Hmm...= Looks like a duck/walks/quacks/etc....Fetch my Browning wench!...Sounds like duck season to me " I will never again in my career WILLINGLY commute transcon to upgrade, ain't gonna happen." I'll assume that's today's version ...or is this one more case where you're just poking fun?

 

[AWA320]

So then you feel that USAPA would impose a seniority that the West would reject and find unjust.

And you would do everything in your power to prevent loosing what you perceive is your seniority.

Interesting. Just plain interesting.

I'm not sure what your point is.

No sir, my point is this. If USAPA took power yesterday the third party arbitration is NOT retro active Mr. Phoenix!! Sure in future mergers you could attempt to invoke DOH as your merger policy but what happens when you merge with a bigger ALPA carrier that pushes this extreme to arbitration or worse law suit?????? We already know that the extreme position doesn't work.

 

[EastUS]

No sir, my point is this. If USAPA took power yesterday the third party arbitration is NOT retro active Mr. Phoenix!! Sure in future mergers you could attempt to invoke DOH as your merger policy but what happens when you merge with a bigger ALPA carrier that pushes this extreme to arbitration or worse law suit?????? We already know that the extreme position doesn't work.

So..what's your strategy for the next merger if still Alpo? = Burn incense?..Check the I Ching?..bribe Alpo?..kidnap realtives of the Arbitrator?

PS: One man's "extreme" is another's "Very reasonable"...that's why we all get along so well in our species

 

[Phoenix]

No sir, my point is this. If USAPA took power yesterday the third party arbitration is NOT retro active Mr. Phoenix!! Sure in future mergers you could attempt to invoke DOH as your merger policy but what happens when you merge with a bigger ALPA carrier that pushes this extreme to arbitration or worse law suit?????? We already know that the extreme position doesn't work.

I know the boogy man is getting reeeeaaallly big. We better all run to mommy ALPA a get a teet. Last one is a rotten egg.

 

[luvn737s]

but let's not go into professional thoughts here son...

I agree, I left instructing neophytes years ago. And the whole safety record thing isn't worth re-hashing.

You seem willing to give up easilly...perhaps we're not so disposed this time around.

Huh? Maybe you have a valid reason for staying home today. I know when you're valiantly defending the indefensible it can get a bit confusing. Open a window. Look outside: That's reality. Log onto the USAPA website: That's fantasy. Keep 'em straight, boy.

 

[AWA320]

So..what's your strategy for the next merger if still Alpo? = Burn incense?..Check the I Ching?..bribe Alpo?..kidnap realtives of the Arbitrator?

Absolutly not!!! What you do is be REASONABLE. The east has yet to do that. Now lets be truthful here, you haven't!! It's all been your way or the highway.

PS: One man's "extreme" is another's "Very reasonable"...that's why we all get along so well in our species

And it's because of that line of thinking we have arbitrators and law suits

When is it going to be enough??? If there is one constant it's that the economy will go south and where we are when this happens depends on our decisions today EastUS...

 

[Phoenix]

Keep 'em straight, boy.

For someone who has the world by the tail, you seem a little testy. Did the cat do something to your Weaties?

 

[EastUS]

I agree, I left instructing neophytes years ago. And the whole safety record thing isn't worth re-hashing.
Huh? Maybe you have a valid reason for staying home today. I know when you're valiantly defending the indefensible it can get a bit confusing. Open a window. Look outside: That's reality. Log onto the USAPA website: That's fantasy. Keep 'em straight, boy.

"I know when you're valiantly defending the indefensible" That's how wars are won son An admittedly overly grand thought not truly suited to a simple labor dispute, but a point to make as per principles =I'd suppose that you would also consider the Spartan sacrifice at the Gates of Fire to have been a hopeless fool's errand..even though it arguably prevented the destruction of democracy in it's infancy, and otherwise the entire western notion of civilization that then was able to evolve.

"Look outside: That's reality." Hmmm..far, far too deep for me sir. I'll stick with the basics = "Wherever you go...There you are" From the observations of Buckaroo Banzai

"Huh? Maybe you have a valid reason for staying home today." Actually? I do...But: Oooh!!!...Is the boogeyman otherwise gonna' "get me" for sure this time? You speak of looking out windows for "reality"...consider ceasing to live a life based purely upon FEAR...just a suggestion I'll offer up "reality" for you = "In the end..we die..opposable thumbs and all" The trick is to LIVE while we're actually here

 

[EastUS]

And it's because of that line of thinking we have arbitrators and law suits

When is it going to be enough??? If there is one constant it's that the economy will go south and where we are when this happens depends on our decisions today EastUS...
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VERY true..and I'd not give a snowball's chance in hell for all of us in any future merger with a larger outfit under Alpo "supervision" :down:

Reality check time? = Ask your big supporter 767jetz just what the Alpo plan is/would be should we merge with his outfit.ROTFLMAO...Then?..Ask him to tell the truth as to how receptive any of them are to any notions of downgraded personal "'seniority" After all that? = Ask him to actually tell the truth

 

[Bear96]

Are Phoenix and EastUS the same person?

 

[Phoenix]

Are Phoenix and EastUS the same person?

No. Our signatures are different.

We just both happen to be pilots on the seniority list from different blocks of the list but with a strangely similar mindset. I don't seem to recall what galvanized our unity. Oh yeah, now I remember.