US Airways ALPA Merger Committee Presentation

[AWA320]

You didn't really say that??? "a 2 yr throwing a tantrum" perfectly sums up the entire AWA ST Nic position

Ah well...no sense wasting much time with you boys/girls today...it's a nice day outside...think I'll go out and play

Not a bad idea, it'll help clear you mind and be ready for acceptance. How does it go, Lord please grant me the wisdom to accept the things I can not change!!!

 

[Junebug172]

You didn't really say that??? "a 2 yr throwing a tantrum" perfectly sums up the entire AWA ST Nic position

Ah well...no sense wasting much time with you boys/girls today...it's a nice day outside...think I'll go out and play

Don't forget your walker!!!

Don't want you breaking your hip!!

 

[A320 Driver]

Not a bad idea, it'll help clear you mind and be ready for acceptance. How does it go, Lord please grant me the wisdom to accept the things I can not change!!!

Amazing!!!

I can guess what the posts are going to say before I read them. I don't even need a crystal ball!


A320 Driver <_<

 

[BottomFeeder]

Don't forget your walker!!!

Don't want you breaking your hip!!

Yeah it would be hard to get to the bank and cash the pension check. I hope we can teach an old dog a new trick and get direct deposit of their pension check.

Ah yes 42,000,000 pennies from heaven each and every year. Unless change of ownership is proven then it is pennies from heaven starting at age 50.

 

[Tiger 1050]

While the guy is way smarter than the average HP pilot, he defines the absolute bottom of the east US pilot IQ.

Is this the same IQ that was somehow able to read DOH in ALPA's merger policy? Need I remind you that any reference to DOH was carefully removed from the policy? Cap'n Jack promised you guys date of hire saying "that's how it has worked in the past." You boneheads bought it! You bought it hook line and sinker! And now you are upset because he lied to you. Blame Cap'n Jack not AWA.

Keep crying though and sonner or later you'll get you way.

Good day little children...

 

[USA320Pilot]

TraderJake is in the minority of US Airways pilots and I doubt he has the courage to identify him self and make his opinions known to the public. He would be chastized if he did, which is why he will not go public.

The vast majority of the US Airways pilots will do anything to prevent the Nicolau Award from proceeding. For example, today I spoke with a Captain who is about 800 on the Nicolau list and he told me he “did not care if the company offered a pay rate of $300 per hour he would vote ‘no’ on a joint contract if that was necessary to stop the Nicolau Award from proceeding."

If nothing else happens the US Airwyas pilots have the right to not agree to a joint contract and enter into Section 6 negotiations on January 1, 2010. Then they can enter into RLA negotiations, which could easily take 5 years to complete and by the time the deal is implemented in will be another 8 years from now.

Finally, the pilots who are leading the effort to decertify ALPA are close to getting enough cards to petition the NMB for a representational election. I believe there are hundreds of pilots holding onto their cards watching the process and the Rice Committee. If the Rice Committee cannot provide a solution than I believe ALPA will be voted off of the property and then there will be two different pilot unions at US Airways, who would not be permitted to negotiate a joint contract.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ableoneable]

TraderJake is in the minority of US Airways pilots and I doubt he has the courage to identify him self and make his opinions known to the public.

The vast majority of the US Airways piltos will do anything to prevent the Nicolau Award from proceeding. For example, today I spoke with a Captain who is about 800 on the Nicolau list and he told me he “did not care if the company offered a pay rate of $300 per hour he would vote ‘no’ on a joint contract if that was necessary to stop the Nicolau Award from proceeding."

If nothing else happens the US Airwyas piltos have the right to not agree to a joint contract and enter into Section 6 negotiations on January 1, 2010. The they can enter into RLA negotiations, which could easily take 5 years to complete and by the time the deal is implemented in will be another 8 years from now.

Finally, the pilots who are leading the effort to decertify ALPA are close to getting enough cards to petition the NMB for a representational election. I believe there are hundreds of pilots holding onto their cards watching the process and the Rice Committee. If the Rice Committee cannot provide a solution than I believe ALPA will be voted off of the property and then there will be two different pilot unions at US Airways, who would not be permitted to negotiate a joint contract.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Keep dreaming dude. By the way "piltos"? Learn to use the spell checker dude.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Able,

I'm not dreaming...those are the facts.

The US Airways pilots can obtain meaningful pay raises by doing nothing. In fact, do not be surprised if a new Permanent Bid is released this week, which will have unexpected European premium flying this winter, a very large pilot recall, and many vacanices for the East pilots.

Reserves will become Lineholders, First Officers will become Captain's, and Narrwobody pilots will become Widebody pilots. Seniority and quality of life will improve for all of the East pilots and by the end of the year there will be more than 500 hundred 2007 pilot recalls.

Following the recalls there will be pilot hiring on the East side of hte operation in the not-to-distant future.

Therefore, with the Nicolau Award held up by the lawsuit for about 3-5 years according to the MEC's Counsel Roland Wilder, no joint contract (if ever), the probabalility of ALPA decertification if the Rice Committee is unsuccessful, and then East Section 6 negotiations starting in 2010, the West will remain stagnant and not have a pay riase while the East sees significant pilot seniority growth and improved pay.

By the way, LOA 93 provides the East pilots with two $35 million payments due in 2010 and 2011. This will be about $23,000 per pilot and is an added benefit to remaining separate!

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ussnark]

Keep dreaming dude. By the way "piltos"? Learn to use the spell checker dude.

I am so shamed. It refers to Piltdown man, surely an accurate description of US west.

Sorry my joke was so much above your level of comprehension.

 

[Tiger 1050]

For example, today I spoke with a Captain who is about 800 on the Nicolau list and he told me he “did not care if the company offered a pay rate of $300 per hour he would vote ‘no’ on a joint contract if that was necessary to stop the Nicolau Award from proceeding."

Then he is an idiot!

 

[Cactus737]

Yeah, we've seen those arguments. It was fun watching our attorney blow giant holes in them in the arbitration.

 

[pilot]

Then he is an idiot!

Your post accurately reflects your, and apparently the wests total ignorance about the feeling and resolve from the east pilots. I am around number 50 on BOTH lists and would never vote yes on a contract that included the nic list. REGARDLESS of the hourly rate. That doesn't make one an idiot. It makes one principled for standing up for the profession and the seniority that each and every pilot, ON BOTH SIDES, has earned and has a right to. Like when you bid your blocks, vacation, vacancies etc.... You know, seniority. The thing that our entire careers are based on.

This stopped being about money long ago for the east pilots. If you west folks can't figure out anything else try to understand this:

The east gave up billions in pay and pension to keep an airline alive. We incorrectly assumed an arbitrator would follow ALL of the merger policy. When he didn't (you can argue forever about that) the straw broke the camels back. If you think the east does not have the resolve to do everything possible to save our seniority you are way off base. When I say everything possible I truly mean it. Whatever it takes.

I don't expect most of you west folks to get it. You can't seem to comprehend the sheer lunacy of a 4 year guy being senior to a 20 year guy who has never been furloughed. So be it. And as for our hard line on DOH during negotiations, you don't seem to understand negotiations either. Not one pilot on the east list fully expected a DOH list without conditions and restrictions. You say there is nothing in the merger policy about date of hire. You are correct. There is also nothing in that policy about slotting or ratios. Oh, by the way, the first 500 folks went date of hire and the rest were slotted. Guess old nic read something into the policy that wasn't there.

Nothing is going to be solved on these boards. But the west needs to comprehend the total and complete mindset of the east. We gave up billions through 2 Chapter 11's. We stared down liquidation and Lakefield would have merged us with someone else if not AWA. There was not going to be a liquidation or it would have happened long before AWA became involved. We draw the line at seniority.

And if you guys can't figure out the importance of seniority and what it means to the east, and to all airline pilots, then you haven't got a clue. But, since you want the nic list implemented so badly, I guess you must know what seniority is. You just don't think the east should have it.

pilot

 

[700UW]

TraderJake is in the minority of US Airways pilots and I doubt he has the courage to identify him self and make his opinions known to the public. He would be chastized if he did, which is why he will not go public.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

And you run to the moderators everytime someone posts your name.

 

[ClueByFour]

Your post accurately reflects your, and apparently the wests total ignorance about the feeling and resolve from the east pilots. I am around number 50 on BOTH lists and would never vote yes on a contract that included the nic list. REGARDLESS of the hourly rate. That doesn't make one an idiot. It makes one principled for standing up for the profession and the seniority that each and every pilot, ON BOTH SIDES, has earned and has a right to. Like when you bid your blocks, vacation, vacancies etc.... You know, seniority. The thing that our entire careers are based on.

%57 of the East group has shown it cares not about standing up for the profession. If you are the West, why would you believe they would start now? Yeah, yeah, "more resolve than ever before." Give it time.

It's like anything else--part of the reason for the AAA MEC resolution that the only course it will allow is "separate operations" is because if the JNC did get an industry leading wage offer, the simple fact of the matter is there is a very good chance it would pass ratification out East regardless of Nicolau.

 

[88 B.T.D.]

if the JNC did get an industry leading wage offer, the simple fact of the matter is there is a very good chance it would pass ratification out East regardless of Nicolau.

I will concede that to you; probably by more than 60%. However, do you really think you will ever see an offer anything near industry leading from this management? They will probably say 122 million is all we can budget. That unfortunately for "all of US" will not cut it.