AWA ALPA Thread week of 9/21--9/27

[Tiger 1050]

According to you, Junebug, Aquagreen, Cactus, Tiger, and others this will never happen. Well…can you tell that to McIlvenna?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Thanks for including me this time. I feel much better now... :huh:

 

[Phoenix]

Thanks for including me this time. I feel much better now... :huh:

Perhaps there is some consolation that you were mentioned last in the list? :unsure:

 

[EastUS]

Perhaps there is some consolation that you were mentioned last in the list? :unsure:

At least he wasn't stapled after all his experience, and time logging posting hours

 

[AWA320]

AWA320,

There will not be a 35% pay raise and you know it. Has Doug Parker ever done that before? The East will not sell their seniority.

And, if there is a 35% pay raise USAPA can get that too, so why not impose a new union on the West pilots and get the pay raise too!

Regards,

USA320Pilot

has

You sir are not correct!!

Now you ask for parity with the us in the west which BTW I support thru the JNC process however be that as it may parity TODAY would be a 13.5% increase to the east pilot pay rate. We are looking at getting a 20% pay raise or hopefully better which is 33.5% for the east now add some of the other perks and we hit the 35% marrk in the east.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Perhaps there is some consolation that you were mentioned last in the list? :unsure:

Yeah! Good point! :unsure: I think...

 

[EastUS]

You sir are not correct!!

Now you ask for parity with the us in the west which BTW I support thru the JNC process however be that as it may parity TODAY would be a 13.5% increase to the east pilot pay rate. We are looking at getting a 20% pay raise or hopefully better which is 33.5% for the east now add some of the other perks and we hit the 35% marrk in the east.

Actually?..Nothing you posted in reply says anything as to why an equally positve, or superior result couldn't be obtained after first putting Alpo's head on a platter

 

[AWA320]

Ah...no problem then...thanks: we certainly trust your word

I must cynically note that the AWA posters most rabid, and utterly vehement about "I want more money!!"...are also the first to claim that they wouldn't come east to get it.

"A constant source of amusement"

That's simply not fair EastUS! We never lied to our pilot group and never lied to yours!!! You have no basis or foundation what so ever to not trust us!!!

I am happy that you find this amusing but I can tell we are not amused!! The company is getting rich off your BK contract East and that's not amusing at all it's fact!!!

 

[Tiger 1050]

At least he wasn't stapled after all his experience, and time logging posting hours

*sigh* Why even bother...

 

[AWA320]

Actually?..Nothing you posted in reply says anything as to why an equally positve, or superior result couldn't be obtained after first putting Alpo's head on a platter

Well because that action will certainly do a couple of things. First and foremost USAPA will end up in litigation ASAP! Second, the west pilots will never support it be it finacially or otherwise and there is no real way you can force us to and the company will never invoke agency shop against 1900 pilots. Third, we will become EAL vs CAL part two no doubt in my mind what so ever which wis extremely toxic. Fourth and most important the company is getting rich claiming profits off of your bk contract.

I said this before, run a mock bid and see for yourselves that there would be triple the number of east coming west than the west pilots going east...

 

[EastUS]

That's simply not fair EastUS! We never lied to our pilot group and never lied to yours!!! You have no basis or foundation what so ever to not trust us!!!

I am happy that you find this amusing but I can tell we are not amused!! The company is getting rich off your BK contract East and that's not amusing at all it's fact!!!

Sigh..I'll just leave that one mostly alone

This segment's worthy of some note though: "The company is getting rich off your BK contract East and that's not amusing at all it's fact!!!" Ahem...haven't you been one of most vocal AWA sorts with the "LIve on LOA93 forverver!!" BS?

"run a mock bid"...which would prove what? You've stated that you intended to "take an upgrade in PHL" asap...and generally otherwise pretend that everyone's happy out west. WTF do you want/need the Nic thing for then?

The Usual

 

[electricjet98]

Actually?..Nothing you posted in reply says anything as to why an equally positve, or superior result couldn't be obtained after first putting Alpo's head on a platter

Eventually. But the delays and legal fees that USAPA will inncur guarantees that your actual net would be much less. Now, add in how a new and divided group, represented by newborn union with no track record would get thrown "under the bus" by a large and well represented group in any future merger. The result under your scenario isn't pretty! :down: :down: :down:

 

[USA320Pilot]

Electricjet,

Maybe, maybe not. With a new seniority list negotiated by USAPA and Doug Parker doing the buying who knows. You seem to foget that Lee Sehman has done this before.

USAPA knows the obstacles and now has more support than ever.

By the way, did you happen to see John Prater's comment today that "At this point, it appears that such issues remain between the US Airways and America West pilot groups and that these issues require resolution, particularly in order to make progress in achieving our joint goals of parity and parity plus. Unless these issues are resolved, further progress will not be possible and the pilots of both groups will continue indefinitely under agreements resulting from bankruptcy and ATSB restrictions?â€￾

And, did you see how many days John McIlvenna said it would take to hold a representational election. Interestingly, he indicated just a few week's ago that USAPA was not a threat. Why do you think the AWA MEC Chairman changed his tune?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[EastUS]

*sigh* Why even bother...

I liked you pre-edited one better. 'Twas more heartfelt methinks. Sounds like a few issues there though. Life's a gift, and NEVER anything to be 'bitter" about, trust me at least on that

Take Care/Enjoy

 

[EastUS]

Eventually. But the delays and legal fees that USAPA will inncur guarantees that your actual net would be much less. Now, add in how a new and divided group, represented by newborn union with no track record would get thrown "under the bus" by a large and well represented group in any future merger. The result under your scenario isn't pretty! :down: :down: :down:

"But the delays and legal fees that USAPA will inncur guarantees that your actual net would be much less." This would be worse than the likely resulting timeline for ANY JNC, with undiluted Nic facets, to be ratified by the east? I think not.

"would get thrown "under the bus" by a large and well represented group in any future merger." Evidently you're overlooking all that Alpos done to us...I mean "for" us to date :blink: Given that they've cheerfully thrown the overall most experienced/longest serving dues paying group they've ever seen "under the bus" in this nightmare....WHY!!?? would/could you possibly even imagine any beneficial results from being under their "representation" in any future merger with a larger contigent? The dice/card decks/etc have no memory. The next "seniority integration" via Alpo might as well be done with Tarot cards

"The result under your scenario isn't pretty! " I, quite honestly?...don't see any likely result to be worse than what we're otherwise facing :down: I believe that it's a misconceived fantasy that, under Alpo, some magical contract offer will instantly arise that makes everyone even slightly happy. The Sandcastle crowd are fully aware of the two group's mutual hostility, and will take the fullest advantage of that via any JNC negotiations. Such could, very possibly would, drag on for months to years anyway. I feel that they're focused on another "big deal" and could care less about tying the groups together..except as a sale' or merger pitch for the outfit as a whole. I've little doubt that they'd offer up some chump change to toss at the peasants in hopes of buying us all cheap, but nothing that would out perform the damage to the east were Nic to fly. It's my honest opinion that the west folk aren't seeing much anything of the "big picture", both via a precedent that destroys any/all notions of what constitutes "seniority", and in their estimations of the future under Alpo. As I said....the dice have no memory, and we might all be stapled under the entire list of any larger carrier next time...Alpo could care less...so long as the money keeps coming into their pockets, and they can Harrumph around without doing any work, at ridiculous compensation.

 

[BoeingBoy]

And, did you see how many days John McIlvenna said it would take to hold a representational election.

I suspect he was referring to the start of the process that could lead to an election, since he is undoubtedly aware than it is an impossibility to have an election within "a few days".

Someone earlier posted that the NMB had indicated it would take 2-3 months from when application is made and I suspect even that is optimistic. My personal guess is probably 4-5 months from the day the application is filed.

With the FAA set to grant a single operating certificate before the end of the month according to Aviation Daily, there is the distinct possibility that a vote on a joint contract will occur before a representational election........

Jim