AWA ALPA Thread week of 9/21--9/27

[A320 Driver]

Last post. This sent by Email to the moderators:

Moderators,
Since you guys started putting a choke hold on threads, it has become more difficult to wade through what interests me and what doesn't. I don't have time to go through all the ALPA threads. It was much easier to just disregard the thread topics. I appreciate your trying to stop the back biting and personal attacks, but I think you have gone overboard.

Remove me from the boards effective immediately.

A320 Driver

Bye ya'll.

 

[a320av8r]

...When not one pilot has lost any seniority or has been bumped out of position since the merger was completed?...

I was bumped from 737 Captain to First Officer when Dougie parked the last 60 east 737's.
You west guys truly are clueless.
And yes, I will vote down any TA that implements the Nic award as it is.

 

[767jetz]

Well, you folks back East seem to feel that USAPA is a done deal. We may find out soon but so what! Do you really think that the vast majority of AAA pilots will vote down a TA that gives them improved pay AND work rules? When not one pilot has lost any seniority or has been bumped out of position since the merger was completed?

I agree. Now that there is actually movement in the process, and an opportunity for the East pilots to get not only pay parity but a raise above parity, plus a "bonus" of a retroactive check (of about 4 months), I think a majority (not all, and certainly not the vocal few on this site) of East pilots will decide to sit tight and see what happens. They could always look at the TA, vote it down, and then pull the trigger on USAPA. But most will want to see what materializes from the JNC and have an actual vote, (something their MEC rarely gives them). But if they like what they read, they will have much more money, better schedules, better retirement, and career protection by January, rather than waiting out the slow growth under LOA 93.

I predict that the 300-400 East pilots who may see a captain upgrade in the next year will vote against any TA, but the rest will see this exactly as you say... No bump from their pre-merger position, and very large income and quality of life improvement for their families.

Now I fully expect the spin from a few here to continue through December with their FUD campaign because they can't get beyond the fact that the award still stands after all their futile efforts, and they will hold their DOH/LOS AT ALL COST position until the day they retire. They are the same malcontents who are always bitter when things don't go exactly the way they want. They will continue to come here and talk about how the EC's decision is actually good for their cause, the USAPA will save them, and threaten the West that it is their last chance to compromise (ie: capitulate to their demands) before having things imopsed on them, and blah, blah, blah. There is nothing anyone will ever be able to do to please them. So the West should not even try. The JNC should focus on getting the greatest benefit for the largest number of East & West pilots. In fact it is so tiring to hear their same old "spiel" like a broken record, it isn't even worth responding to anymore.

Stay focused on the JNC and see how much Parker is willing to pay to get his airline back together. In fact, those in the East who choose to use sick leave and three engine taxis and other methods to slow down the operation only increase Parker's motivation to sweeten the pot. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. Good luck to all!

 

[fatherabraham]

In fact it is so tiring to hear their same old "spiel" like a broken record, it isn't even worth responding to anymore.


Wow...am so gonna miss your UAL response ad nauseam

FA

 

[Pacemaker]

I concur; there will be no TA for a long, long time. AWA pilot leadership talking of one by the end of the year is pure fantasy. The antics of the east group have cost us four months, four months to negotiate a contract during a season of record profits, four months of summer when "SAP-ing down to contractual mins." could have demonstrated our resolve and maximized our leverage. Now we're heading into the slower winter months, and heading into what could be a full-blown recession and at the very least will be less advantageous conditions for the industry. History shows this portends a future of red ink for US Airways. So, why should management rush to forge a deal now? Wait until the losses begin mounting and the road shows start and they begin whining about their 16 cent/ASM costs. Have the US Airways pilot group ever voted no on any concession? With 3,000+ Tony-Soprano-on-the-outside/Mr. Rogers-on-the-inside east pilots eager to once again hand over their wallets to management, with people like Garland Jones on the MEC leading the charge to "match the company ask", where is the motivation for them to rush into a deal now?

 

[AWA320]

Yes AWA320

You will be my USAPA brother very soon.

Don't forget to pay your dues so you will be able to vote

No but sadly I did send in my $200.00 toward the movement to file suit against USAPA. I hate all this litigation but it seems that it has become an necessary evil. See ya in court though

 

[P51Pilot]

No but sadly I did send in my $200.00 toward the movement to file suit against USAPA. I hate all this litigation but it seems that it has become an necessary evil. See ya in court though

So what would the quippy Junebugger response be? Hmmmm...........

Probably something like, quit yapping and lets do'er.!

 

[AWA320]

So what would the quippy Junebugger response be? Hmmmm...........

Probably something like, quit yapping and lets do'er.!

I saw him yesterday in the crew room but I didn't have time to ask him if he had contributed yet. I am told that thus far over 100K has been donated. It's still a sad state of affairs.

 

[Junebug172]

No but sadly I did send in my $200.00 toward the movement to file suit against USAPA. I hate all this litigation but it seems that it has become an necessary evil. See ya in court though

quit yapping and lets do'er.!

 

[BottomFeeder]

No but sadly I did send in my $200.00 toward the movement to file suit against USAPA. I hate all this litigation but it seems that it has become an necessary evil. See ya in court though

AWA320

Don't you want to follow the rules now? Just like the rules you screamed about for months.

You will have a new union shortly and it will be USAPA

You are BOUND, BINDING and stuck with the RLA rules on representation.

Bye Bye ALPA

 

[Junebug172]

You are BOUND, BINDING and stuck with the RLA rules on representation.

Too bad you guys don't know the difference between NLRA and RLA - you'd know what you were talking about.

But you go ahead and try your pickleballer you!!!

 

[BottomFeeder]

Too bad you guys don't know the difference between NLRA and RLA - you'd know what you were talking about.

But you go ahead and try your pickleballer you!!!

Don't worry jLj

USAPA will get us the contract we want!

With out guys like you, USAPA might have failed.

You are a HERO for the Easties

Something good can come from something bad

Thank You

 

[USA320Pilot]

What is interesting is people like Junebug and AWA320 only infuriate the East pilots even more increasing their resolve to never let the Nicolau Award stand and they are to stupid to even understand it. Their fight to screw the US Airways pilots is fueling the USAPA movement to the point that I see a movement of a potential USAPA staple job in the future. It's too bad that a certian pilot group will be the minority voter and negotiator even though they will be forced to pay a part of their USAPA dues in the not-to-distant future.

Junebug & AWA320 keep up the good work! Apparently, even McIlvenna understands the damage you are causing.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Phoenix]

What is interesting is people like Junebug and AWA320 only infuriate the East pilots even more increasing their resolve to never let the Nicolau Award stand...

While I appreciate all that Junebug does for helping to right the wrong, there are many pilots (East and West) that understand the injustices of ALPA that are merely compounded by ALPA's latest abortion, and they will vote for USAPA simply to remove ALPA calculating opportunists from the equation. They recognize the impossible loyalties of ALPA that will not result in loyalty to pilots at any airline. Even some of the most vocal opponents of USAPA have freely acknowledged the calculating predatory nature of ALPA.

There are extremist on both sides that aren't helping the matter at all, but in the end, a new union that is unmolested by the need to satisfy pilots at other carriers will allow for cooler heads to prevail and enable an even minded majority to adopt reasonable solutions that everyone can and will live with to move the employees in the right direction to make the company prosper.

It is inevitable. No union can endorse opportunism and survive.

 

[LCC_#1]

Their fight to screw the US Airways pilots is fueling the USAPA movement to the point that I see a movement of a potential USAPA staple job in the future.

No offense, but you need to practice what you preach. The above statement is right up there in the fueling department.