ALPA/USAPA topic of the week

[oldiebutgoody]

Forget it... you're clueless.

I guess your response means that you can't defend it.

By the way, I agree with EASTUS that Leonidas.org is an especially appropriate name for the organization against USAPA, since just like in ancient times, Leonidas will likely be defeated by a much larger force. In fact the remaining Spartans were forced to integrate into the majority population (Greek). I can see the parallels here.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Forget it... you're clueless.

Honey, he's not clueless. I think like all of ALPA lately, no matter what the event, just throw out enough FUD and hope something sticks. We've been through it enough to know what really counts. Your letter posted from the firm isn't one of them.

 

[dariencc]

Forget it... you're clueless.

He is actually correct. You, on the other hand, are ignorant. Within the context of the following sentence, mitigate makes no sense:

"We have been instructed by our client to mitigate a lawsuit against USAPA if it wins the election and purports to repudiate the Nicolau award."

Presumably, Mr. Green meant "litigate," which would make sense, as was pointed out by oldiebutgoody. No problem, typos happen to the best of us.

And you fancy yourself the Westie "Communications Chairman?" Yikes!

 

[nostradamus]

Article about Jack Stephan, championing the cause of the original US Airways pilots. Your dues money at work, a better contract for america west pilots.

Jack and John show article.

Jack, you are the symbol of why alpa needs to go. Gut check Jack.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Jack, you are the symbol of why alpa needs to go. Gut check Jack.

Nice link. It will be a pleasure to see our ALPA lifers back on the line again.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

. See below

 

[nostradamus]

Article about Jack Stephan, championing the cause of the original US Airways pilots. Your dues money at work, a better contract for america west pilots.

Jack and John show article.

Jack, you are the symbol of why alpa needs to go. Gut check Jack.

Jack you are next to mitch vasin, fo rep for america west. He has a date of hire of 03/29/04. The dementia award put him in front of a pilot hired in October of 1987. The pilot he was placed in front of on the list was never furloughed and worked for a company that flew international routes. You put him in front of a pilot, only because an alcoholic CEO, doug parker was chosen to run a company by investors that were provided by the original US Airways management that provided the finances, helped by the sacrifices of the of the original US Airways pilots.

The new US Airways financing, click here.

Jack, you have brought the Ive got mine, sickness to a new height.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI: I guess it is true.

February 29, 2008

TO:
AAA MEC and AAA LEC Officers
ALPA Executive Board
ALPA Executive Council
ALPA National Officers
ALPA Executive Administrator


Fellow ALPA Leader:

This evening I approved the attached “Notice of Charges and of Executive Council Meeting to Consider Charges Pursuant to Article XIX, Section 1.Dâ€￾ and sent it to the officers of Local Council 41 (US Airways, Philadelphia). The Notice is the basis for emergency corrective action in the form of a trusteeship as provided in Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws.

The charges are that Captain Eric Rowe, Chairman and Captain Representative; Captain Dave Ciabattoni, Vice Chairman and First Officer Representative; and Captain Jim Portale, Secretary-Treasurer, have shown their open support for a rival union in the upcoming NMB representation election by:

Distributing anti-ALPA communications through ALPA channels,
Attempting to recruit an ALPA HIMS liaison to work for USAPA, and
Failing to provide necessary support for ALPA in connection with the NMB representation election.
The Local Council 41 officers are being given an opportunity to send written statements to Captain Bill Couette making clear their support for ALPA and opposition to USAPA in the NMB representation election, and their commitment to urge Local Council 41 pilots to vote for ALPA. The Executive Council will consider the issue of emergency trusteeship at a special meeting on Monday, March 3. The Local Council 41 officers have been invited to appear and make a presentation.

Many of you have urged me to take this action for many months. I had hoped that these three elected officers would stand up for their union. However, with the NMB representation election for US Airways pilots beginning on March 20, the stakes are too high for US Airways pilots—and the actions of these officers far too hurtful to our union—for me to delay further.

The latest actions of the officers of Local Council 41 made it clear that they are not supporting ALPA, so the time to act has come. Immediately upon the conclusion of Monday’s meeting, I will inform you of the Executive Council’s actions.

In Unity,

John Prater
President

"In Unity" or lack thereof?

 

[nostradamus]

FYI: I guess it is true.




"In Unity" or lack thereof?

NMB will have a problem with this, so close to election. Desperate men will always use desperate actions.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

NMB will have a problem with this, so close to election. Desperate men will always use desperate actions.

Even though I don't know the intricacies of the NMB, I really think ALPA just made a huge mistake. Simply amazing!!

 

[nostradamus]

Even though I don't know the intricacies of the NMB, I really think ALPA just made a huge mistake. Simply amazing!!

doug parker, ceo of usairways, who has an alcohol problem, is working in concert with alpa leader john prater who has a membership problem. If anyone who looks at praters picture and is not able to get the dueling banjos song out of their head, understands me.

This only means that a merger of usairways with another carrier is imminent. They provide a list from a dementiated pawn, to greedy investors that gets rid of older usairways pilots, to facilitate their needs. Bada bing, bada boom.

I for one will not be at work for three weeks now.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

This only means that a merger of usairways with another carrier is imminent. They provide a list from a dementiated pawn, to greedy investors that gets rid of older usairways pilots, to facilitate their needs. Bada bing, bada boom.

I think you are right. The timing couldn't be more perfect. New merger announcement, followed by how ALPA is going to protect USAirways pilots, add a little FUD and bingo, end of story.

 

[nostradamus]

I think you are right. The timing couldn't be more perfect. New merger announcement, followed by how ALPA is going to protect USAirways pilots, add a little FUD and bingo, end of story.

They are desperate. They have overblown their status. It reminds me of the large bubbles I used to blow with my gum. I believe it was bazooka gum, a very large portion was provided.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

They are desperate. They have overblown their status. It reminds me of the large bubbles I used to blow with my gum. I believe it was bazooka gum, a very large portion was provided.

Nosty, et al -

Speaking of bazookas, looks like you and your fellow usapians just showed up at a gunfight armed with squirt guns.

Looking for a place to hide those yellow ribbons? They make for a pretty sight picture...... h34r:

 

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI

“Profound Implicationsâ€


NOTICE OF CHARGES AND

OF EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING TO CONSIDER CHARGES

PURSUANT TO ARTICLE XIX, SECTION 1.D

In accordance with Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws, I hereby notify you of the charges set forth below. I also notify you that I have proposed an emergency trusteeship of Local Council 41 to take effect immediately upon approval by the ALPA Executive Council. The ALPA Executive Council will meet to decide whether to approve the proposed emergency corrective action on March 3, 2008, at 1100 Eastern Standard Time. The meeting will be held in the Association’s offices in Washington, D.C.

The charges and the basis for the proposed emergency trusteeship are as follows:

Captains Rowe and Ciabattoni are each officers and status representatives of ALPA Local Council 41, as well as members of the ALPA US Airways MEC and members of the ALPA Board of Directors. Captain Portale is also an officer of ALPA Local Council 41. In those positions, each owes a duty of loyalty to ALPA, including the duty to declare his full support for ALPA in the context of an NMB representation election resulting from an organizing drive by a rival labor organization, and the duty to lend no support to that other organization.

USAPA has challenged the Association’s representation rights at US Airways. The voting period for an NMB representation election begins on March 20. The impending NMB representation election makes it critical that each Local Council 41 officer now declare his support for the continuation of ALPA’s status as pilot bargaining representative, oppose the USAPA effort, provide no support to the USAPA effort, and urge the members of Local Council 41 to vote for ALPA in the NMB representation election.

In addition to the failure of all of the Local Council 41 officers to declare support for ALPA, and their joint communications reflecting a pattern of support for USAPA, on February 27, 2008, Captains Rowe and Ciabattoni each further showed his support for USAPA by attempting to recruit a HIMS liaison for the Association to perform the same services for USAPA. This discussion with the HIMS liaison concerning work for USAPA took place while they were speaking to him in their capacity as LEC officers and ALPA representatives.

Captains Rowe and Ciabattoni have stated that they do not “work for USAPA,†but they have not denied that they are providing support and assistance to USAPA, nor have they repudiated their prior communications reflecting a pattern of support. Likewise, none of the three Local Council 41 officers has declared that he supports ALPA in the representation election and would urge Local Council 41 members to vote for ALPA in the representation election.

It is my determination that, by their actions on behalf of a rival labor organization and their continuing failure to provide necessary support for ALPA in the face of an impending NMB representation election between the Association and the rival organization, the Local Council 41 officers have violated and failed to comply with their obligations to ALPA as representatives, officers, and directors under the Constitution and By-Laws and Association policies, and exposed the Association to detrimental consequences by engaging in a substantial failure to perform significant legal or representational duties of a bargaining representative. In short, they have betrayed their obligations to ALPA and, in doing so, have jeopardized ALPA’s continued existence at US Airways.

Based on these facts and circumstances, I have determined that emergency corrective action is necessary and appropriate in the face of the impending NMB representation election.

At this time, it is imperative that each Local Council 41 officer clearly and unequivocally, in writing, declare his support for ALPA and opposition to USAPA in the NMB representation election and urge all Local Council 41 pilots to cast their votes for ALPA. If they cannot do so, they should resign their ALPA positions.

Therefore, each Local Council 41 officer is requested to state, in writing, his support for ALPA in the representation election, his opposition to USAPA, and his commitment to urge Local Council 41 pilots to vote for ALPA, and to send a copy of that statement to Captain Bill Couette, ALPA Vice President-Administration/Secretary ([email protected]) no later than 1700 EST on Sunday, March 2, 2008. The Executive Council will review such response in connection with its meeting on this issue.

As required by Article XIX, Section 1.D of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws, if the Executive Council approves the proposed emergency corrective action, the officers of Local Council 41 will be afforded a full and fair hearing before the ALPA Executive Board. Such hearing will be scheduled for a date to be determined, within the time limits set forth in Article XIX, Section 1.D, and they will receive advance notice of the hearing’s date, time, and location.

While the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws do not require the Executive Council to provide a hearing or other opportunity for appearance before acting on the proposed emergency corrective action, the Local Council 41 officers may, if they choose, attend the Executive Council meeting and make a presentation commencing at 1400 hours on March 3, 2008, not to exceed a total of thirty (30) minutes. If the Local Council 41 officers intend to make a presentation to the Executive Council, they should notify Captain Bill Couette, Vice President-Administration/ Secretary, by e-mail no later than 1700 EST on Sunday, March 2, of their intention to do so.

Yours truly,

[ATTACHED PDF SIGNED]
Captain John Prater
President

I guess the verbal loyalty test didn't count Let the Kangaroo Court begin.