ALPA/USAPA topic of the week

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EastUS...

Don't quit flying to become a forensic psychologist...

You question my allegence because I don't get hacked off at someone accusing me of something I'm not. Re-read my posts again and you'll see that I don't take anything seriously on this board. Having been on leave for some time has kept the humor in my outlook. It's black humor, but after the last 30 years, what else are ya going to have around here?

As far as being secure in who I am: Since I've been contaced by BOTH Rowe and Ciabottini about volunteering in the USAPA organization, I'm pretty secure. Even that is funny if you look at it in the right light: ALPA is so screwed up that active reps can go out and recruit for positions in the union they are trying to get to replace ALPA!!

I know one thing: that won't be tolerated in two years when ALPA makes a run at USAPA (two years from now)! USAPA won't be underminded by their own reps the way ALPA is...ALPA has no backbone...AND THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO GO.

...but thanks for you dime-store analysis of my personality...

=TripNic=

You MUSt be an ALPA plant. Rowe and Ciabottini have NOTHING to do with the organizing OR involvement of USAPA.

Ooops here we go...more conspiracy theory! The reason we're protecting the 330's is because American Western pilots would have never had them. We brought these to the merger...you didn't.

As far as fake posts...THAT'S MY POINT. You gotta laugh at them. You guys are missing the humor I guess.

I used the same language before?!? Well, I'm the same person, so that makes sense...

By the way...has anyone confirmed that we're NOT going for decades long fences?!? What's the problem talking about the plan anyway...there's NOTHING ALPA is going to be able to do about it!

=TripNic=

American WESTERN???

If your posting on behalf of someone.....DON'T!

This is why I am not posting here. So much MISINFORMATION is creating TOO MUCH BAND WIDTH. Get it at the websites, now. Don't come here for this very reason.

So long "trip nic". (Stupid name)

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Seems I have been elevated to "Clown Status"

Subject: How low will the WEST go?
Author: XXXXXXXX
Date: 29 Feb 2008 11:13 AM

So Jimmy, you must be eastus, or aaa737, both a couple of clowns.

Glad to see all is well within the ALPA ranks. If you don't like the message, attack the messenger. Business as usual.
No LC, "Jimmy" is not me. But thanks for the elevation in status.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Captain Jack Stephan
AAA MEC Chairman
One Thorn Run Center
Pittsburgh PA
Jack,
With the announcement by the National Mediation Board that a representational
dispute exists for the pilots at US Airways, effective immediately, I am tendering my
resignation as the Chairman of the AAA MEC Negotiating Committee and my position
on the AAA/AWA Joint Negotiating Committee, both sponsored by the Airline Pilots
Association (ALPA).
My heart and efforts will still be committed to the pilots of this airline, but I can
no longer justify this work on behalf of our current bargaining representative. Over 20
years of continuous ALPA work has led me to believe that our pilots will be better served
by a bargaining representative that is solely focused on our needs, rather than the
collective needs of a much larger “Associationâ€￾. This is an opportunity that must not be
squandered and I will now devote my time and efforts toward a representational change
for our pilots.
Lastly, I have watched with increasing dismay the misleading information and
negative campaigning that ALPA has embarked upon these last few weeks. The height
of my disgust was reached when Dr. Hudson (Aeromedical) issued his statement that if
USAPA won he would not contract with them. It is my understanding USAPA has
secured alternative arrangements and our pilots will still be protected in this regard.
However, as Dr. Hudson’s practice is private and independent of ALPA, and includes
other in-house unions like APA (American) and SWAPA (Southwest), I can only assume
his statement was coerced by his largest client. I consider this action corrupt and possibly
illegal. I refuse to be associated with an organization that would sink to such depths.
Sincerely,
Doug Mowery
29Feb08

That just about covers it.

 

[EastUS]

Seems I have been elevated to "Clown Status"

Hey!...Waitta' minute...that's not fair! Your postings have always been pretty level-headed and to the point, whilst I've also tried to cover the dyspeptic, cynical, and emotional rantings turf...which should, one would think, properly engender more points on the incoming insults index.. Sigh....There's simply no justice left in the world

 

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI:

Fellow pilots,
Coincidentally, just as we were adding yet another letter of praise to the "What Others Have Written About USAPA's Law Firm" page on the USAPA site, ALPA sent us all another note reminding us how "concerned" they are about our law firm. In the latest, dues-supported communication they ask, "Do you believe that this firm can really advance your agenda?" ALPA's "concern" shows, in fact, that they already have. We’d like to review few points:

The law firm and its attorneys have proved its professional competency innumerable times since it has been retained.

Their guidance concerning the Railway Labor Act has been accurate.

Their analysis of the NMB process has been correct in all respects and their predictions concerning the NMB's determinations to date have all come to pass.

Their legal analysis of the critical seniority issues that are relate to our situation have either been confirmed or have gone essentially unchallenged by ALPA legal.

We believe that USAPA and the US Airways pilots have been well served by the law firm.

Whether SSMP continues as USAPA's law firm in the post-election period will be determined by USAPA officers directly elected by the US Airways pilots.

We've said it before, the more "concerned" ALPA becomes, the more certain we are that we retained the correct firm. But don't take our word for it; stop by the above-referenced page and read comments from past clients of USAPA's law firm, including the ALPA President. We consider ALPA's attacks to on the law firm to be ugly, unprofessional, and defamatory. More importantly, they are irrelevant. We ask that our fellow pilots focus on the issues and not be distracted by personal attacks.

In our continuing effort to bring your union to you, USAPA will hold our third Road Show on March 11th and 12th, from 9am to 4pm in the CLT Airport Business Center, top of the stairs to the left above the Food Court, Auditorium 4026. USAPA Officers, volunteers and legal representatives will be in attendance to answer your questions.

USAPA will soon be announcing the names of the proud pilots who will take leadership roles in USAPA. These pilots collectively have donated to the US Airways pilots, thousands of hours of volunteer work, and are ready to officially assume the responsibility of leadership. After all, their fate, from the President of our new union, to the last pilot on the seniority list, is certainly tied to the success of US Airways, just as it is stated in the USAPA Constitution Preamble, Item 13.

Thank you for your continuing support.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Seems I have been elevated to "Clown Status"



Glad to see all is well within the ALPA ranks. If you don't like the message, attack the messenger. Business as usual.
No LC, "Jimmy" is not me. But thanks for the elevation in status.

RD maybe? TR maybe? Despite sticking to their guns those two fellas seem to be pretty reasonable and level headed over all. I sense the same thing in some of your writings here.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

..........Your postings have always been pretty level-headed and to the point, whilst I've also tried to cover the dyspeptic, cynical, and emotional rantings turf...which should, one would think, properly engender more points on the incoming insults index.. Sigh....There's simply no justice left in the world

Thanks. I appreciate the vote of confidence. Actually when the messenger is attacked, it means we are really on to something. That's straight ALPA modus operandi. I learned that from our missing friend Junebug. Hence my latest mailing from the ACPC. It also attacks the messenger. Wow, way to go ALPA! Do you really think people are listening to your FUD anymore?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I sense the same thing in some of your writings here.

Thanks.

 

[prechilill]

Great information from a reputable law firm about where things actually stand.
www.armyofleonidas.org

 

[EastUS]

Great information from a reputable law firm about where things actually stand.
www.armyofleonidas.org

I've far past the utmost personal and professional respect for the Spartans at Thermopylae...but: Refresh our collective memories please: How did things actually turn out for "the army of Leonidas"?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Great information from a reputable law firm about where things actually stand.
www.armyofleonidas.org

What a goof! Your legal team doesn't even know the meaning of the word "mitigate". I believe he meant "litigate", since in the context of his letter, "to lessen the meaning of" does not fit. If that's the best your legal team has to offer, I suggest that USAPA has nothing to worry about from your legal team. Seham and partners has been involved in aviation law for decades, so I'm apt to believe their position before I would believe one from a legal team that doesn't even have a vocabulary.

 

[sharktooth]

I've far past the utmost personal and professional respect for the Spartans at Thermopylae...but: Refresh our collective memories please: How did things actually turn out for "the army of Leonidas"?

Some people think movies are factual and base their lives on the illusions. Probably plays video poker rather than actually interfacing with real people.

 

[prechilill]

What a goof! Your legal team doesn't even know the meaning of the word "mitigate". I believe he meant "litigate", since in the context of his letter, "to lessen the meaning of" does not fit.

I think your glutamate levels may be a little too high my elder friend.


Verb 1. mitigate - lessen or to try to lessen the seriousness or extent of; "The circumstances extenuate the crime"
extenuate, palliate
law, jurisprudence - the collection of rules imposed by authority; "civilization presupposes respect for the law"; "the great problem for jurisprudence to allow freedom while enforcing order"

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I think your glutamate levels may be a little too high my elder friend.


Verb 1. mitigate - lessen or to try to lessen the seriousness or extent of; "The circumstances extenuate the crime"
extenuate, palliate
law, jurisprudence - the collection of rules imposed by authority; "civilization presupposes respect for the law"; "the great problem for jurisprudence to allow freedom while enforcing order"

So, just what does he mean when he says "We have been instructed by our client to mitigate a lawsuit against USAPA if it wins..."?

They will " lessen the extent of " a lawsuit against USAPA? OK, I guess USAPA won't mind that. In a business where words are EVERYTHING, your legal team doesn't have the vocabulary to prevail.

What's your argument, Prechilill? I guess if I posted an embarassingly stupid letter I might try to defend it somehow. Your lawyers just don't make any sense.

Are you saying that I need to MITIGATE my glutamate levels? How about if I just ASSUAGE them?

 

[prechilill]

What's your argument, Prechilill? I guess if I posted an embarassingly stupid letter I'd might try to defend it somehow. Your lawyers just don't make any sense.

Forget it... you're clueless.