ALPA/USAPA topic of the week

[EastUS]

This part is very telling. In other words, you feel that you have suffered enough at the hands of past management, therefore you feel entitled to take whatever you can from whomever you can to avoid being furloughed. Especially those you have arbitrarily and singlehandedly labeled as less deserving.

Got it.

There's NOTHING "arbitrarily and singlehandedly labeled" by making the simple, and accurate observation that some people have worked longer than others within a given craft, nor in noting that the essential mechanics of functional unionism require recognition of said longer service..or they crumble and implode, as is demonstrated by what's happening with your Alpoids little "association".

Your continual stream of BS's but more perverse coloration on the standard "Gimme MINE!"..."I'm special!" hypocritical BS from any junior person trying to justify their own greedy BS....and, naturally, all the precious little Alpo "processes" of course

This, as a standard package, of course comes replete with wishfull fantasies about having some self ascribed, and thusly laughably imaginary, "principles/Honor/Integrity" involved that can, in ANY way attempt to justify the desired theft of years of service and sacrifices from others....The actual truth of your positon? = "I don't care if you've thrice my experience and years worked!...I HAVE NO/ZERO/ZIP respect for that!.....It's all relative!...Mom thinks that I'm Relatively Special!!...and.well...Waah!...I want MINE!"

Nothing new therein..."Got it"

 

[nostradamus]

This part is very telling. In other words, you feel that you have suffered enough at the hands of past management, therefore you feel entitled to take whatever you can from whomever you can to avoid being furloughed. Especially those you have arbitrarily and singlehandedly labeled as less deserving.

Got it.

You are putting words in peoples mouths, when you can not handle the words coming out of your own. Must get a little lonely in up state New York.

767 jetz alter ego

 

[767jetz]

Must get a little lonely in up state New York.

Actually New York City... Born and raised. Aye... You gotta problum wit dat??!!!

 

[nostradamus]

Actually New York City... Born and raised. Aye... You gotta problum wit dat??!!!

I could tell by your accent.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

From VoteALPA.Org Can you believe these people?

You are not alone. More than 57,000 of your ALPA brothers and sisters stand behind you and want you to remain in this union. You will be hearing from many of them in the upcoming month. Rather than make decisions based on anger over the Nicolau Award, you need facts and proof that ALPA is a better choice than USAPA for you and your family.

Hear all of the reasons why before you vote.

I am so looking forward to meeting my brethren from the member ALPA airlines. Especially the ones who couldn't wait for my/our demise at USAirways. Please tell me what kind of brother that wishes harm on me and still wants my participation in ALPA? I do, I really do hope they will approach so I can tell them exactly what I think of Prater and their precious ALPA. :down:

 

[nostradamus]

From VoteALPA.Org Can you believe these people?



I am so looking forward to meeting my brethren from the member ALPA airlines. Especially the ones who couldn't wait for my/our demise at USAirways. Please tell me what kind of brother that wishes harm on me and still wants my participation in ALPA? I do, I really do hope they will approach so I can tell them exactly what I think of Prater and their precious ALPA. :down:

Typical alpa condescending attitude. The organization is set up so the "leaders" that are in power, mostly with out democracy, are so spoiled by their cushy weekend and holiday off Monday 11am to Friday 1pm job, that they will sacrifice their integrity and morals to keep on top in their pyramid like scheme.

 

[end_of_alpa]

This part is very telling. In other words, you feel that you have suffered enough at the hands of past management, therefore you feel entitled to take whatever you can from whomever you can to avoid being furloughed. Especially those you have arbitrarily and singlehandedly labeled as less deserving.

Got it.

No, you DON'T GET IT. Not at all. We haven't "arbitrarily and single-handedly labeled" anyone less deserving....the ARBITRATOR did that, and that, son, is the LAST STRAW! The point is that we KNOW where our "bread and butter" comes from. NOT ALPA.

My paycheck doesn't say ALPA, any more than it says UNITED. It says US Airways, and as much as we would like to get pay raises, as before, we will sacrifice AS NECESSARY to keep our jobs RATHER than start again at the bottom knowing that, by doing so, starting over puts us in an even MORE perilous position with ALPA carriers....where ALL ALPA carriers that were also PERILOUSLY CLOSE to liquidation not two years ago...carriers such as United and Delta, had guys on furlough. And they will treat me the same if I'm hired at the BOTTOM of YOUR LIST? TAKE ONE FOR THE "GIPPER"? You can shovel that "S&#T" somewhere else and like right now. "In short, talk to the hand." +3,200 US Airways pilots already know how you ALPA "brothers" feel about us. Just like your ALPA "brothers" over at Delta feel about NWA and when our CEO was going to take Delta over last year. WE'RE THE DELTA PROFESSIONALS...REMEMBER?

Remember, in BK, United was having a very DIFFICULT time leaving BK because of EXIT FINANCING. So was Delta. NWA less so. So don't "preach" the "Scarlett Letter" of having been in BK twice. Remember...TWICE BITTEN, ONCE NEVER AGAIN! Don't get too "cocky" over there at United. Remember...the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

We've learned our lessons and learned them well...it is US Airways pilots against everyone else in ALPA. If you don't know THAT by now, you've ignored it....until now.

Don't preach to me "boy" about how we have "suffered" coming from YOUR company. United management is definitely no PRIZE! It's not about "entitlement"...it's about VALUE! And if you think you "UNITED" boys are more "valuable" than our pilots....be forwarned. We've had ENOUGH of you ALPA shills telling us how "priviledged" we should be to even eat your s%$t!

Pompous a$$e$ are a statement you ALPA guys should add to your "motto".

 

[end_of_alpa]

"You are not alone. More than 57,000 of your ALPA brothers and sisters stand behind you and want you to remain in this union. You will be hearing from many of them in the upcoming month. Rather than make decisions based on anger over the Nicolau Award, you need facts and proof that ALPA is a better choice than USAPA for you and your family.

Hear all of the reasons why before you vote."

Why should we choose "ALPA brothers and sisters" (gag reflex) over our own US Airways Brothers and Sisters, as USAPA pilots?

We HAVE FOUND ALL THE REASONS, you can find them too. At the USAPA website. Oh, all except one....NICOLAU! That reason can be found at ALPA!

USAPA has:

GREAT MEDICAL
GREAT INSURANCE
GREAT FINANCIALS (THEY'LL SOON BE MORE TO COME, BTW)"
GREAT LEADERSHIP
GREAT CONSTITUTION AND BYLAWS
GREAT POLICY MANUAL
GREAT LEGAL REPRESENTATION
GREAT RETIREMENT MANAGEMENT
IN THE FUTURE, GREAT BENEFITS, SIMILAR TO WHAT AOPA OFFERS IT'S PILOTS

IT SLICES, IT DICES, IT....OOPS, GOT CARRIED AWAY.

ALPA HAS BOTTOM OF THE LIST FOR US AIRWAYS PILOTS. HUH?

 

[767jetz]

There's NOTHING "arbitrarily and singlehandedly labeled" by making the simple, and accurate observation that some people have worked longer than others within a given craft,...

Simple? Accurate? Hmmmm... then why does a a US East pilot with 20 years of service only fly as a 737 first officer, and a 20 Year UA pilots flies as a 777 captain? Why was an 18 year East pilot flying his couch while an 18 year NW pilot is an Airbus Captain? Why is a 10 year AWA pilot a 320 captain and a 10 year East pilot another furloughee? Why is a 10 year UA pilot a junior 320 captain and a 10 year CO pilot a junior 767 pilot? How many hours do you have in the 767? Do you even have a 767 type rating? Perhaps your "observation" of having worked longer in a particular craft is inaccurate. It's all a matter of your reference point.

If your theory is accurate, seems to me that a person with the same number of years in a given craft should have the same job and same earnings as well throughout the profession. But we all know that reality is often different than theory.

Not so "simple" and "accurate."

Get it?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Simple? Accurate? Hmmmm... then why does a a US East pilot with 20 years of service only fly as a 737 first officer, and a 20 Year UA pilots flies as a 777 captain? Why was an 18 year East pilot flying his couch while an 18 year NW pilot is an Airbus Captain? Why is a 10 year AWA pilot a 320 captain and a 10 year East pilot another furloughee? Why is a 10 year UA pilot a junior 320 captain and a 10 year CO pilot a junior 767 pilot? How many hours do you have in the 767? Do you even have a 767 type rating? Perhaps your "observation" of having worked longer in a particular craft is inaccurate. It's all a matter of your reference point.

If your theory is accurate, seems to me that a person with the same number of years in a given craft should have the same job and same earnings as well throughout the profession. But we all know that reality is often different than theory.

Not so "simple" and "accurate."

Get it?

No where has ANY US Airways East pilot said that anyone on the West side should lose their seat. They only want FULL credit for the time and effort they've put into making this company a success, FAR MORE than a lot of West pilots. Nobody is trying to "bump" or "flush" anyone from position they hold. Most East guys have suffered immensly to make this merger happen, through paycuts, benefit cuts and even furloughs for many. To say that just because a guy happened to be furloughed after 13 or 14 years of service that his time shouldn't count is ludicrous. It goes against ALL union principles to allow thievery of the sort perpetrated by Mr. Nicolau. That's the issue at hand. I only hope that the proper concepts prevail in the representation election, and that the "800 pound gorilla" that calls itself ALPA is thrown out on it's ear!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

..........Perhaps your "observation" of having worked longer in a particular craft is inaccurate. It's all a matter of your reference point.

If your theory is accurate, seems to me that a person with the same number of years in a given craft should have the same job and same earnings as well throughout the profession. But we all know that reality is often different than theory.

Not so "simple" and "accurate."

Get it?

WE ALL GET IT! Great UNION we belong too huh? A union that allows such disparate inequities among the same craft and class. Oops. That really is the problem with ALPA isn't it? You know, give you a hint, ALPA is not a union but an overpriced, ineffective association. Where each member group has a vested interest in the demise of any member competitor. Makes sense to me.

I want to thank you for pointing out the great disparities inherrent in our great Association. With "Brothers and Sisters" like that, who needs enemies?

Yep, it is "Simple and accurate" to finally belong to a union interested only in the success of USAirways Pilots.

 

[nostradamus]

america west has no international flying. I do not think they will be allowed to count their scab operation in Australia or the drug running operation in Thailand.

Therefore by 767jetz rules they should not expect to fly international routes.

 

[N924PS]

america west has no international flying. I do not think they will be allowed to count their scab operation in Australia or the drug running operation in Thailand.

Therefore by 767jetz rules they should not expect to fly international routes.

HP has no transatlantic international flying. The do however, fly to international destinations in Mexico and Latin America.

US has no transpacific flying, however HP does fly to HNL, LIH, and OGG. Although it's to the State of Hawaii, it is international like from an operational standpoint.

West could wind up with the China flying, since A330 deliveries in 2008 are not designated to be flown by East pilots under any current agreements.

 

[767jetz]

My paycheck doesn't say ALPA, any more than it says UNITED. It says US Airways, and as much as we would like to get pay raises, as before, we will sacrifice AS NECESSARY to keep our jobs RATHER than start again at the bottom knowing that, by doing so, starting over puts us in an even MORE perilous position with ALPA carriers....

Careful there. Those are some of the EXACT same words spoken by Eastern pilots who scabbed and tried to justify their actions!

Don't preach to me "boy" about how we have "suffered" coming from YOUR company. United management is definitely no PRIZE! It's not about "entitlement"...it's about VALUE! And if you think you "UNITED" boys are more "valuable" than our pilots....be forwarned. We've had ENOUGH of you ALPA shills telling us how "priviledged" we should be to even eat your s%$t!

Pompous a$$e$ are a statement you ALPA guys should add to your "motto".

Hmmm... Didn't someone here recently say that they know they are speaking the truth when others get so angry and defensive about the message? Sounds like you're ready to blow a fuse.

 

[nostradamus]

HP has no transatlantic international flying. The do however, fly to international destinations in Mexico and Latin America.

US has no transpacific flying, however HP does fly to HNL, LIH, and OGG. Although it's to the State of Hawaii, it is international like from an operational standpoint.

West could wind up with the China flying, since A330 deliveries in 2008 are not designated to be flown by East pilots under any current agreements.

You are a US Airways pilot that was a former PSA pilot that got date of hire when psa was bought by Usair in 1987. You have spent your time posting on this board worrying about your own hinder. You are the poster boy of what is wrong with alpa with a I've got mine attitude.

You only worry is a west coast base because you live out west.