Winter 2008/2009 Schedule Changes

[FWAAA]

Which brings up another topic...(again)

How can SWA provide so much space for each passenger, pay the highest f/a salaries (mx too IIRC) and still make money?

I know it was rhetorical, but what the hell?

In 2007, WN reported net earnings of $471 million, excluding special items and including hedging gains of $727 million. Despite the constant "Southwest would have acted differently had they not had the fuel hedging gains" nonsense, the fact is that WN would have lost money last year by paying everyone more. 😀

Of course, WN drives their higher-paid employees very hard, demanding lots more output per employee than at legacy airlines like AA.

It's just a completely different model. Only similarity between AA and WN is that both fly airplanes.

 

[L1011Ret]

Richard' date='Apr 9 2008, 12:49 AM' post='590286']
L1011,


Read your PM's ... NOW.


Here is another IORFA obnoxious post


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Why would anyone want to join this BB with posters like this?

 

[Richard]

This has gone on long enough.

1. The posting of the content of PM's is specifically prohibited on these boards. It appears this was done TWICE.

2. The harassment of members, either by PM or otherwise is absolutely prohibited, and will not be tolerated.

If we have to treat you all like kindergarteners we will, but this stops NOW.

 

[ual777fan]

So back to future routes...

 

[eolesen]

No kidding....

PVD is dead in the water. Finis. Gone. Ain't coming back.

 

[MiAAmi]

MIA-GEO (discussions on going; AA officials in Guyana next week)
MIA-FDF/PTP (Delta is pulling out this month; AA will fly there if they pick up some of the travel contracts DL had)
MIA-CTG (countering Spirit)
MIA-BON (Saturday-only service)
MIA-GND (working with Grenada government to get incentive package)
MIA-AZS (local resorts are putting together a revenue guarantee plan)
JFK-NCE (if fuel prices improve),
MIA-SSA/REC/FOR (if Brazilian INAC approves them; AA is ready to fly them, discussions have been ongoing for three years now; it was close to being approved as of late, but TAM, who is opposed to such expansion of the air treaty, has told Brazil's INAC that they will start flying from Miami to more Northeast points in 2009, which is either the truth, or an effort to stall AA and DL's ongoing attempts to enter Northeast Brazil).
DFW-KIN (hard to believe, I know, but this is being pushed hard by Jamaican authorities and AA is listening to them).
MIA/DFW-RTB (this service has been in the cards forever! It's a matter of if, not when; I wouldn't even be surprised if it launched from Dallas first).

Obviously I know more about planned MIA expansion then other. I'm sure there are plenty of routes being looked at, but few will launch. Possibly look for more JFK-Caribbean routes next winter, following up the recent launches of JFK-SKB/UVF.

It will be interesting to see how much capacity is shifted to international flying. I think we will definitley see two new Europe routes in 2009, probably from JFK.

There is a clear trend, though, in AA's 2008/2009 expansion: incentives. They are being careful, and want to share the risk of new routes with willing governments, tourism boards, hotels, etc.

Im curious to where the airplanes for any new routes will come from. Any expansion to Europe with widebody a/c will have to come at the expence of another route.

 

[CubsFanJohn]

They could come from Reduced Domestic Flying possibly. If AA Management was smart, they would have kept the TWA B752 birds and converted them into International Service using them on routes e.g. JFK-STN, JFK-DUS etc. That would have significantly help and actually freed up a few WB's.

 

[eolesen]

If AA was smart, they would have never put themselves in the position of taking the TW752 fleet in the first place...

Reduced domestic flying is likely, but I'd expect those aircraft to be flying one-way's to Roswell, Mohave, Marana or Victorville....

 

[CubsFanJohn]

If AA was smart, they would have never put themselves in the position of taking the TW752 fleet in the first place...

Reduced domestic flying is likely, but I'd expect those aircraft to be flying one-way's to Roswell, Mohave, Marana or Victorville....

I'd agree with that, I remember when Bob Crandall was on Larry King he said this about the TWA Deal or somewhere along the lines "I wouldn't have invested a $1 Billion Dollars in a Bankrupt Airline." I would agree with that statement, I have nothing against TWA, my Dad use to fly them and he liked them but that $1 Billion Dollars could have came in handy for AA and wouldn't have carried the baggage that came along with it. I could see them also possibly pulling up 2 B777-200ER's for PEK eventually.

 

[MAH4546]

More 738 international expansion from MIA:

Effective 20NOV08

AA 2171 MIA 1700-2130 GND 738 Daily
AA 2174 GND 0920-1215 MIA 738 Daily

 

[ual777fan]

I'd agree with that, I remember when Bob Crandall was on Larry King he said this about the TWA Deal or somewhere along the lines "I wouldn't have invested a $1 Billion Dollars in a Bankrupt Airline." I would agree with that statement, I have nothing against TWA, my Dad use to fly them and he liked them but that $1 Billion Dollars could have came in handy for AA and wouldn't have carried the baggage that came along with it. I could see them also possibly pulling up 2 B777-200ER's for PEK eventually.

AA made the TWA purchase at a time when the mayor of Chicago (Daley) was admittedly opposed to realigning the airports runways (which would significantly reduce delays). The TWA purchase was for the STL hub so AA could continue to expand service over the long term without having to deal with ORD's limitations. Since then, Daley has come out in favor of runway realignment thus making the purchase unnecessary.

 

[CubsFanJohn]

Not sure if this is the right topic but apperntly LGA-MSP is being discontinued on 6/1. Not a surprise, wonder where the slots will go? Considering there going up against NW.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

What ever GENIUS CAME UP WITH lga/msp...SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT THE ****ing DOOR, FOR BRINGING THAT ABORTION TO FRUITION.

 

[MAH4546]

What ever GENIUS CAME UP WITH lga/msp...SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT THE ****ing DOOR, FOR BRINGING THAT ABORTION TO FRUITION.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge. They are the same geniuses behind ATL-LGA, CLT-LGA, PIT-LGA, and CVG-LGA, all of which have done extremely well, especially ATL-LGA, despite going up against legacy hubs. Not to mention AA has been in DTW-LGA and CLE-LGA for well over a decade now. MEM-LGA is doing okay early on, still a bit iffy. Yields on MSP-LGA were doing well, but the loads killed it, combined with Northwest's capacity dump. I was pretty optimistic about it, even after it's slow start, but one bad apple out of seven isn't bad.

One problem might have been the lack of corporate commitments. CLT-LGA and CVG-LGA, for example, had some corporate backing when they started, from Bank of America and Johnson & Johnson, respectively. MSP-LGA didn't, although AA tried pretty hard to get some.

One MSP-LGA slot goes to a fourth BNA-LGA flight.

 

[eolesen]

You've got two things happeneing here -- some pre-emptive belt tightening with the impending slot reallocations at LGA, and the fact that if DL-NW goes thru, they're going to wind up with a lot more strength at the LGA end than they currently have in terms of FF pax loyal to DL.