Winter 2007/2008 Route/Schedule Changes

[eolesen]

Bears, FWAAA already said it. China's where the money is. Most of the US/AU traffic seems to be AU generated, so AA will be an also-ran in that market compared to QF's power. UA gets all the people who are beholden to Star Alliance and those who really hate QF as the hometown carrier. There's just not a lot of room for a third carrier.

I like the idea of flying to Equatorial Asia (Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia), and maybe even Korea or Taiwan (again), but China's where all the untapped growth is right now.

And after China, India needs to be exploited a priority. A second flight to Mumbai or Chennai would be a lot more profitable. With all the outsourcing of IT, keypunch, and call centers that's happened in the past five to ten years, there's a lot of business demand to India. Perhaps it's time to revive the idea of a RTW routing like UAL did (SFO-NRT-DEL-LHR-JFK)....

 

[Coefficient_Of_Lift]

This may have been posted elsewhere but does anyone know the status of AUS-MIA or AUS-JFK?

I am flying to SDQ in September and my route is AUS-DFW-SJU-SDQ and on the way back SDQ-JFK-DFW-AUS. Obviously, either one of those routes would help me out. I travel to Latin America quite a bit and its kind of frustrating that more that 50% of the routes go through MIA but I have to fly through DFW or RDU to get there.

In my mind JFK and MIA make a lot more sense than the AUS-RDU or even the SEA routes. That's just me and I haven't seen the numbers.

What do you guys think?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

If expanding service to Spain and revenue sharing means AA adds and IB pulls back, that's great news as well. IB's service in J is worse than AA's by a long shot.

I just flew IB from IAD-MAD-VIE and back. The trans-atlantic portion was average overall (terrible on the IAD-MAD not too bad on the MAD-IAD return). What was really really really terrible was the MAD-VIE-MAD portions. 141 seats on a A-319!!!! Ouch!!!! T4 and T4S at MAD-Barajas is a great facility, too bad IB is such a ghetto airline.

 

[eolesen]

MAD's T4 and T4S would be better if they weren't so damn far apart. I've actually had shorter commute times between LGA and JFK than I did doing all the escalators up/down to the train station, waiting for the train, and then going back up to the departure level...

If you think 141 seats on the A319 is fun, go fly Air Nostral. The only good part about that "experience" is that they did a full meal service on a 90 minute flight... on a CRJ no less.

So... as soon as I have the chance to fly AA to MAD without having to deal with the chaos (and agents) at MIA, I'm there. Even if it means transiting DFW...

 

[marius5]

CMH-DFW is loosing a trip on Dec13th, the 6.45pm departure is replaced with an Eagle RJ. Supposedly, this change is necessary to "reallocate" aircraft for American's new international routes... So CMH will only have 3 mainliners to DFW daily, along with about 30 other Eagle trips :down:

 

[MAH4546]

Effective 13Dec07:

Daily JFK-PIT, ER4
3x daily LGA-YUL, ER3
xSa ORD-MKE-MQT, ER4 (replaces ORD-MSN-MQT)

 

[Ifly2]

I flew literally hundreds of L-1011 flights between LGA and places in Flordia mainly Palm Beach (PBI). It was a bit tight at times, ILS in low vis to Runway 13, but otherwise just fine.

That would be interesting...

 

[MAH4546]

With Alitalia likely transferring almost all long-haul flights to Rome, including Miami, there is a strong chance we will see Miami-Milan, year-round, next winter. This is a large O&D market with a significant amount of business traffic, third only in Miami-Europe to London and Madrid.

 

[L1011Ret]

That would be interesting...

It was, the L-1011 also had the best autoland system ever devised. totally trustworthy and it put a wing down and cross controlled in a cross wind.

 

[ArtTang]

With Alitalia likely transferring almost all long-haul flights to Rome, including Miami, there is a strong chance we will see Miami-Milan, year-round, next winter. This is a large O&D market with a significant amount of business traffic, third only in Miami-Europe to London and Madrid.

MAH4546:

This would be excellent. Let's hope it comes to pass. The general consensus among Miami international flight attendants is that the September bid sheet is the worst we have ever seen. A new route to Europe would go a long way as far as morale goes. A "task force" has been created to work with resources and allocations in an effort to improve the existing bid lines. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for supplying a ray of hope.
Art in IMA

 

[MAH4546]

MAH4546:

This would be excellent. Let's hope it comes to pass. The general consensus among Miami international flight attendants is that the September bid sheet is the worst we have ever seen. A new route to Europe would go a long way as far as morale goes. A "task force" has been created to work with resources and allocations in an effort to improve the existing bid lines. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for supplying a ray of hope.
Art in IMA

I'm keeping my fingers cross. A lot would rely on AA being able to steal a lot of the corporate travel contracts that Alitalia has on Miami-Milan (mainly with fashion houses, Italian banks, and boat manufacturers) if Alitalia does indeed switch Miami service to Rome, those corporate travelers will all individually be looking at other options (mainly staying with Alitalia via Rome, or switching to Swiss via Zurich). AA is in a position where they could steal those contracts by offering a Miami non-stop. Plus, Milan-South America is a very large market unto itself (excluding traffic to Brazil, only Madrid-South America is larger from Europe), so plenty of connection oppurtunities will be available.

 

[JFK777]

With AA's new servcie from JFK to Milan and Barecelona and existing service to Rome it sounds like TWA was 20 years ago

 

[upsilon]

With AA's new service .....it sounds like TWA was 20 years ago.

I just wish AA service was anywhere near like TWA 20 years ago - both in destination and on-board.

I also wish AA service was somewhere near the AA former European service, e.g., DUS, MUC, et.al.

But I am 'pessimistically optimistic' [hopeful against all expectations] that the AA management will find a way to become the leading USA airline in international flying - as PanAm and TWA were in the past.

 

[MAH4546]

I just wish AA service was anywhere near like TWA 20 years ago - both in destination and on-board.

I also wish AA service was somewhere near the AA former European service, e.g., DUS, MUC, et.al.

But I am 'pessimistically optimistic' [hopeful against all expectations] that the AA management will find a way to become the leading USA airline in international flying - as PanAm and TWA were in the past.

Despite a network smaller than DL or CO internationally, AA still is, and has been for a while, the largest US airline internationally. They are the largest US airline to Canada, London, Mexico, the Caribbean, South America, and Central America. AA prefers to focus on serving key destinations, rather than many, however. Hopefully we will start seeing a shift away from that in the next few years.

 

[MAH4546]

Starting 13DEC07:

O'Hare-Gulfport/Biloxi, daily ERJ-140
Memphis-LaGuardia, 2x daily ERJ-135