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Dumb Question time, does anyone know how many more will come in 2010? Or were the rest held back in 2013???
Winter 2008/2009 Schedule Changes
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IIRC, they were all moved up into the 2009-2012 timeframe. I think it was 47 total. I also think they ordered 1 more new at the end of 2007. Other than the few that have been confirmed for the first quarter 2009, I am not sure that firm dates have been set yet.
Interesting to note that the new 737s will have 12 additional seats in coach. I guess they are taking away the cart housings and FA Storage cabinet and moving the lavs back up against the galley. That will push total pax. capacity over 150 which means the plane will start bidding with 4, right?
Does anyone know if the older 737's will be retrofitted?
I hate to see more galley space taken away though.... the S80 is a nightmare now on double catered flights with no space. Looks like the 737 is following in that direction.
Does anyone know if the older 737's will be retrofitted?
I hate to see more galley space taken away though.... the S80 is a nightmare now on double catered flights with no space. Looks like the 737 is following in that direction.
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That mod of the a/c makes no sense whatsoever unless it results in WELL OVER 150 seats. JetBlue (IIRC) finally figured out that it was not revenue effective to have a/c that seated 154 passengers; so they took out 4 seats to reduce staffing to 3 f/as.
Would 12 coach seats result in enough revenue to justify a 4th f/a?
Would 12 coach seats result in enough revenue to justify a 4th f/a?
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Difference is that JBLU was having range issues on their transcons. That's not an issue with the 738.
Mark, I'd be shocked if the 738 stayed out of ORD during 2008. Just because they're not there now doesn't mean they won't be. They're really needed on flights to/from the west coast, where the lower burn at cruise makes the most difference.
Mark, I'd be shocked if the 738 stayed out of ORD during 2008. Just because they're not there now doesn't mean they won't be. They're really needed on flights to/from the west coast, where the lower burn at cruise makes the most difference.
Like I said, market conditions change quickly, and they may indeed be at ORD.
However, as of now, there are no plans for them to be used at O'Hare. They are to be used to increase international flying out of MIA to Central America/Caribbean/northern South America. That's one of the few bright spots in the days of $110 oil.
Who knows, though, come June the plan can be entirely different.
Don't try to use common sense and actuall company remarks to refute what Mark the all knowing says. Remember when Mark says it, it is true. He says they aren't planned for ORD, which is in stark contrast to what local management says. Oh well, he doesn't even work here, so Mark is right.
Not the exact answer I was looking for, but does the trick. Also, Does any one see in there about all this MIA Intl flying mentioned that Mark says they are fully intended to do?
MD80s on Long-Haul Flights
Q. Why do we use the MD80s for long haul (3 1/2 hours or more each leg) flights, like ORD-PSP-ORD, ORD-SAN-ORD? These flights are always full and the aircraft is not comfortable for the passengers and it is impossible for the F/A to work or walk through the aisles. The last time I did a trip like this, we had at least ten passengers standing in the aisle constantly waiting to use the lavs. Needless to say, the lavs were disgusting and smelling at the end of the first leg. Also, these flights are double-catered, leaving no room for trash to be stowed. By the time we were done with our trip, the plane was a "landfill", crammed with trash in every imaginable stowage space we can find. Please don't tell me "cost efficiency'" is this best answer for flying our passengers in such deplorable conditions.
A. For the time being, the reality is that MD80s comprise about half of AA’s fleet, and the other types are required at ORD and other hubs for long haul international missions, over-water missions to the Caribbean, Central America, and the northern rim of South America, Hawaii, etc. The good news is that we’ll begin taking deliveries of new 737s in the first quarter of 2009, and these aircraft, among other things, will allow us to gradually phase out the MD80s around the system. While we can’t speculate on the exact timing of the return of the 737 at ORD, you should know that one of our priority uses for this aircraft will be to cover the types of ORD-West Coast missions you mention. Capacity Planning
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IORFA,
I sure don't see anythign about MIA INTL Flights. BTW I did look today on one of the Quartly Reports that AA gives and all 52 are due from 09-12.
I sure don't see anythign about MIA INTL Flights. BTW I did look today on one of the Quartly Reports that AA gives and all 52 are due from 09-12.
Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension, like: "While we can’t speculate on the exact timing of the return of the 737 at ORD"
You in no way, shape, or form proved me wrong. I never denied that 738 flying at O'Hare is something that they would like to do, but right now the 738s are going to be used on international expansion. Largely from MIA, but DFW too (i.e. the new DFW-PTY/SAL flights; DFW-KIN/MGA might launch next winter).
As for new MIA/738 international flying: just added 2nd MIA-MDE; additional MIA-SAL flight in May; third MIA-GUA in June; new MIA-ANU in November. Negotiations under way to launch CTG and GEO; look for a third daily PTY/MGA; maybe the return of MIA-GND, too. Also looking at MIA-FDF/PTP/AZS.
That's the current plan. Who knows what is going to happen between now and February when the 738s start coming. The industry is such a flex that it might indeed reach the point where fuel prices get so bad, that flying ORD-West Coast with S80s no longer outweighs the cost savings of not flying 738s to O'Hare. As of now, that point has not been reached.
Please call and inform our base manager with your information, so she can then ignore all the memos from HDQ. Really, cause then they will all stop telling us that they are coming. Since you say they aren't and most importantly, never were. Again, thanks in advance for you prompt attention to this problem. By the way, I also said that we were told 2009 and the Q and A was from a company wide flight attendant question, not a ORD specific Town Hall meeting or local ORD HI6. Sorry it didn't meet your expectations of word for word that they are coming on this date. Maybe I should ask that the next message reference you by name, would that help?
I am at a loss for words why I even attempted to convice a customer that AA was telling us something he refuses to believe. I will never get that time back in my life. What a waste. When he comes back to tell me I am wrong again, I won't even waste anyone elses time on here by trying to set him straight. It won't be worth wasting your time as well. Sorry I tried to interject some fact and substance from actual company material. I now know I should have run it all by Mark first so he could just ignore it outright. The box is now yours Mark. Stay on top as long as you like.
I never said I don't believe it - 738s might very well be at O'Hare in the future, but that is currently not planned. I believe what you posted. Unlike you, I have the ability to read through the cryptic nature of corporate material.
I fully acknowledge (and you fail to recognize this) that 738s might end up at O'Hare to replace S80s on West Coast flight, but that is not currently the plan. Nothing you have shown shows that is not correct.
You have presented no evidence what you say is true. Instead in your usual way you attack him as "all knowing" when you are the one who comes off as full of your self "all knowing."
