Winter 2008/2009 Schedule Changes

[FWAAA]

A quick review of the ORD schedule shows at least 32 daily MD-80 flights to the West Coast (including Arizona and Las Vegas), averaging over 1,500 miles. AA recently said that a typical MD-80 flight DFW-LGA burns about 880 gallons more than would a 738. These ORD flights thus burn about 1,000 gallons more than would a 738. 32 daily flights each way means 64,000 gallons more fuel each day, and at $3/gal, that equals about $192,000 more for the MD-80s each day over 738s.

While I believed the efficiencies and cost savings were real when the 738s were banished from ORD, these 32 West Coast flights alone cost AA about $70 million more each year in fuel, which probably outweighs any cost savings from isolating the 738s away from ORD.

AA is taking delivery of two new 738s each month during 2009 (23 total); I doubt they will all be assigned to MIA for new routes. My guess is that most of them are immediately placed at ORD for LAX/SFO/SEA/SAN/SJC/PHX flights, but I've been wrong before.

 

[MAH4546]

A quick review of the ORD schedule shows at least 32 daily MD-80 flights to the West Coast (including Arizona and Las Vegas), averaging over 1,500 miles. AA recently said that a typical MD-80 flight DFW-LGA burns about 880 gallons more than would a 738. These ORD flights thus burn about 1,000 gallons more than would a 738. 32 daily flights each way means 64,000 gallons more fuel each day, and at $3/gal, that equals about $192,000 more for the MD-80s each day over 738s.

While I believed the efficiencies and cost savings were real when the 738s were banished from ORD, these 32 West Coast flights alone cost AA about $70 million more each year in fuel, which probably outweighs any cost savings from isolating the 738s away from ORD.

AA is taking delivery of two new 738s each month during 2009 (23 total); I doubt they will all be assigned to MIA for new routes. My guess is that most of them are immediately placed at ORD for LAX/SFO/SEA/SAN/SJC/PHX flights, but I've been wrong before.

Indeed, there are huge fuel savings that can be had by placing them at ORD.

Though there are also huge fuel savings to be had by placing them on more Dallas-Northeast flights, while moving more 757s to O'Hare where the capacity to the West Coast will be much welcomed, and better help AA compete with heavy low-fare competition from the likes of Southwest, without having to station ORD for 738 equipment. That is the currently favored plan.

They won't all be assigned to MIA, far from it. They will allow some new frequencies to Central America and a handful of new routes from MIA. With Spirit growing, AA needs to add capacity to these routes.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

You have presented no evidence what you say is true. Instead in your usual way you attack him as "all knowing" when you are the one who comes off as full of your self "all knowing."

You are the one attacking here with your rude and obnoxious posts.

I don't present evidence, but with my track record, I don't think there is any doubt that I am not making stuff up.

 

[IORFA]

You have presented no evidence what you say is true. Instead in your usual way you attack him as "all knowing" when you are the one who comes off as full of your self "all knowing."

Here he is again. Well if you read the posts before yours, then you would have read the Q&A from Jetnet. I know, maybe the print is too small for you. But please go back and actually read the post. No, I didn't think of recording the Town Hall meetings, maybe in the future I will just to satisfy you and Mark. For some reason you need more than one source for the facts to believe them. I also don't copy my HI6 messages either. Wastes too much paper. Maybe next time we get those I will copy it as well. My fault for actually putting some credit into an answer from "Capacity Planning", I know they really have no idea what this company does with the fleet. It doesn't matter to me in the end, I don't work or commute on any of the routes. It is just embarrassing to me to answer questions about our poor service on such routes. Aparantly AA has heard too many of the questions as well. Thus they keep telling us that they are going to fix it when the 737's come. Problem is that Mark syas not true. Bill believes Mark and thus all ORD employees have been lied to for the last 8-10 months. Really, who cares, we go to work make money, company loses money and the executives get bonuses. It's the American Way. Lets move on and continue discussing schedule changes. Mark won't consider another POV and I will not discount all the information, already given to me, outright. Bill will continue being confused and upset at all AA workers for his wife's problems.

So again already where is AUS-MIA?

 

[FA Mikey]

American Airlines, which offers more flights from South Florida than any other airline, will begin daily nonstop service from Miami to Antigua this fall -- the only nonstop service currently scheduled between Miami and the eastern Caribbean island.

American will begin flying the Miami-Antigua route on Nov. 20, 2008, using Boeing 737-800 aircraft configured with 16 seats in First Class and 132 seats in the Main Cabin.

Mark was correct again as usual.

Now that we have 4 pages of usairways type pissing match hate posts, can we back to something more civil?

 

[CubsFanJohn]

Does anyone know if there going to do Miami-Milan?

 

[L1011Ret]

Indeed, there are huge fuel savings that can be had by placing them at ORD.

Though there are also huge fuel savings to be had by placing them on more Dallas-Northeast flights, while moving more 757s to O'Hare where the capacity to the West Coast will be much welcomed, and better help AA compete with heavy low-fare competition from the likes of Southwest, without having to station ORD for 738 equipment. That is the currently favored plan.

They won't all be assigned to MIA, far from it. They will allow some new frequencies to Central America and a handful of new routes from MIA. With Spirit growing, AA needs to add capacity to these routes.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.



You are the one attacking here with your rude and obnoxious posts.

I don't present evidence, but with my track record, I don't think there is any doubt that I am not making stuff up.

The post was not even directed at you.

 

[IORFA]

Interesting to note that the new 737s will have 12 additional seats in coach. I guess they are taking away the cart housings and FA Storage cabinet and moving the lavs back up against the galley. That will push total pax. capacity over 150 which means the plane will start bidding with 4, right?

Does anyone know if the older 737's will be retrofitted?

I hate to see more galley space taken away though.... the S80 is a nightmare now on double catered flights with no space. Looks like the 737 is following in that direction.

Just a thought, Maybe they are going to add 12 seats with the newer ones. If they do that, they might be thinking that they can leave them all in MIA. If that is the case, I am guessing that they already put 4 F/A's on most 737 flights out of MIA to the Islands. That way they aren't really changing anything, except having more seats to sell. The biggest problem is cancelations now that you have a subfleet of 737's. Who knows. I say take out the cart storage on both sides, move the lavs back and spread the seats out on one side and add a 2 seat set on one side ala the F-100 in the back. That way capacity goes to 150 and still only 3 F/A's. Plus does anyone know if the new 737's will have the LCD TV's? I asked and was told that AA will not be changing the current TV's on the inservice 737's. Along with the VCR. So soon enough, only the 737 will have VCR tapes. (2-3 years depending on the A-300, even the A-300 has different tapes than the 737)

 

[L1011Ret]

Here he is again. Well if you read the posts before yours, then you would have read the Q&A from Jetnet. I know, maybe the print is too small for you. But please go back and actually read the post. No, I didn't think of recording the Town Hall meetings, maybe in the future I will just to satisfy you and Mark. For some reason you need more than one source for the facts to believe them. I also don't copy my HI6 messages either. Wastes too much paper. Maybe next time we get those I will copy it as well. My fault for actually putting some credit into an answer from "Capacity Planning", I know they really have no idea what this company does with the fleet. It doesn't matter to me in the end, I don't work or commute on any of the routes. It is just embarrassing to me to answer questions about our poor service on such routes. Aparantly AA has heard too many of the questions as well. Thus they keep telling us that they are going to fix it when the 737's come. Problem is that Mark syas not true. Bill believes Mark and thus all ORD employees have been lied to for the last 8-10 months. Really, who cares, we go to work make money, company loses money and the executives get bonuses. It's the American Way. Lets move on and continue discussing schedule changes. Mark won't consider another POV and I will not discount all the information, already given to me, outright. Bill will continue being confused and upset at all AA workers for his wife's problems.

So again already where is AUS-MIA?

I say again you cannot read. i have posted my wife has no problems, she likes flying. She like flying with AA F/As. You keep making stuff up. Why should we believe anything you post when you keep making stuff up? You just invent. We have to discount your information. MAH456 is credible, you are not.

 

[IORFA]

I say again you cannot read. i have posted my wife has no problems, she likes flying. She like flying with AA F/As. You keep making stuff up. Why should we believe anything you post when you keep making stuff up? You just invent. We have to discount your information. MAH456 is credible, you are not.

HAHAHAHA, you just don't like that my facts came from Capacity Planning, oh that's right I invented it. That isn't good enough for you. Get a life and move on. Plus, you do complain waaayyy too much about AA and what happens around here for someone that doesn't even work here.

PS- Why don't you use your wifes' passcode for the Flight Service website and actually read the Q&A to find the actuall question and answer I posted. You will find that it is exactly the same. Maybe they invented it as well. Apparantly if it doesn't come from Mark, it isn't true.

 

[L1011Ret]

HAHAHAHA, you just don't like that my facts came from Capacity Planning, oh that's right I invented it. That isn't good enough for you. Get a life and move on. Plus, you do complain waaayyy too much about AA and what happens around here for someone that doesn't even work here.

PS- Why don't you use your wifes' passcode for the Flight Service website and actually read the Q&A to find the actuall question and answer I posted. You will find that it is exactly the same. Maybe they invented it as well. Apparantly if it doesn't come from Mark, it isn't true.

You still cannot read. I am not one who disputed the 737 question, I disputed your statements about myself and my wife. By the way I believe it is probably against the rules to deliberately disparage the spouse of a poster. If not against the rules then certainly disparaging her by lying about her beg you having any credability at all.

 

[Richard]

L1011RET,

It's YOU who cannot read--the rules of the board.

Personal attacks are NOT permitted. Comment on the position of the poster, but do not insult or attack the poster. You have managed to do so more than once here.

KEEP ON SUBJECT and STOP the PERSONAL remarks.

Next one gets time off and the thread closed.

 

[IORFA]

So still no new news on AUS-MIA?

Or better yet, what about some 777's on the production line at Boeing to fly ORD-PEK rather than canceling something else to fly it.

 

[ual777fan]

Yeah really... Any news on AUS-MIA? Any news on any new AUS-JFK rumors (those were swirling around late last year...) and I would love for them to come true so I can actually connect through that lovely new terminal at JFK to Europe.

 

[L1011Ret]

L1011RET,

It's YOU who cannot read--the rules of the board.

Personal attacks are NOT permitted. Comment on the position of the poster, but do not insult or attack the poster. You have managed to do so more than once here.

KEEP ON SUBJECT and STOP the PERSONAL remarks.

Next one gets time off and the thread closed.

Fine with me as long as you ban someone for making personal attacks and lying about one's spouse.

 

[Richard]

L1011,

Read your PM's ... NOW.