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Mike has just posted an E-Line regarding this issue. Will someone please post the E-Line on here because I can't figure out how to do so.
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beachboy
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Dear Members,
CHARGES FILED AGAINST COUNCIL 66 PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY/TREASURER
Dear Members,
I would like to take a few minutes of your time to respond to a Council 66 Hotline dated March 6, 2009. You may view the Hotline by going to the Council 66 website at: http://www.afa66.org/
The Hotline detailed the fact that I have filed charges with the AFA International Hearing Board against the Council 66 President and Secretary/Treasurer.
The decision to file the charges was not made lightly or hastily. After careful consideration of the issue that gave rise to the matter I decided to formally submit the charges and several pieces of evidence to the AFA International Hearing Board for the Board's consideration. After reviewing the submission, the Hearing Board decided there was sufficient cause to conduct a hearing to resolve the matter. Once a date is agreed upon, a hearing will be held in accordance with the AFA Constitution and Bylaws. An independent panel of their peers will judge the Council 66 President and Secretary/Treasurer. It is unfortunate the matter has to rise to the level that it has, but the issue in question involves the negotiation of a single collective bargaining agreement for almost seven thousand members.
This will not be settled in the court of public opinion or on chat boards. While others may attempt to do that I will not.
I want to reassure both East and West memberships this process will not get in the way of negotiations. I also want to reassure our West members that the claim made in the Council 66 Hotline that I am using the Hearing Board process to place "control of this council (66), joint negotiations and your future in the hands of the East MEC", is erroneous. No matter what the outcome, until a single agreement is negotiated and ratified and the two Master Executive Councils merge, West Flight Attendants and their interests will continue to be represented by West Flight Attendants.
Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions you may have, but remember, until the charges are heard by the Hearing Board, those charged are innocent until proven guilty and certain specifics will only be discussed during the hearing.
In closing, while I believe this matter is extremely important, I want to let you know it has not interfered with my duties as your President.
Thank you,
Mike Flores, President
The US Airways Master Executive Council
AFA-CWA
CHARGES FILED AGAINST COUNCIL 66 PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY/TREASURER
Dear Members,
I would like to take a few minutes of your time to respond to a Council 66 Hotline dated March 6, 2009. You may view the Hotline by going to the Council 66 website at: http://www.afa66.org/
The Hotline detailed the fact that I have filed charges with the AFA International Hearing Board against the Council 66 President and Secretary/Treasurer.
The decision to file the charges was not made lightly or hastily. After careful consideration of the issue that gave rise to the matter I decided to formally submit the charges and several pieces of evidence to the AFA International Hearing Board for the Board's consideration. After reviewing the submission, the Hearing Board decided there was sufficient cause to conduct a hearing to resolve the matter. Once a date is agreed upon, a hearing will be held in accordance with the AFA Constitution and Bylaws. An independent panel of their peers will judge the Council 66 President and Secretary/Treasurer. It is unfortunate the matter has to rise to the level that it has, but the issue in question involves the negotiation of a single collective bargaining agreement for almost seven thousand members.
This will not be settled in the court of public opinion or on chat boards. While others may attempt to do that I will not.
I want to reassure both East and West memberships this process will not get in the way of negotiations. I also want to reassure our West members that the claim made in the Council 66 Hotline that I am using the Hearing Board process to place "control of this council (66), joint negotiations and your future in the hands of the East MEC", is erroneous. No matter what the outcome, until a single agreement is negotiated and ratified and the two Master Executive Councils merge, West Flight Attendants and their interests will continue to be represented by West Flight Attendants.
Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions you may have, but remember, until the charges are heard by the Hearing Board, those charged are innocent until proven guilty and certain specifics will only be discussed during the hearing.
In closing, while I believe this matter is extremely important, I want to let you know it has not interfered with my duties as your President.
Thank you,
Mike Flores, President
The US Airways Master Executive Council
AFA-CWA
beachboy
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Piney-
With all due respect please zip it on this subject. You have no idea what actually happened here but with 3 witnesses and the charges it's obviously egregious! I think Flores struck a very decent tone in his eline. I think we should have known about it before now but hey, that's me. No tree was used it was an eline.
Lisa and Jeff will loose their seats over this. I am not huge Mike fan but at least he didn't get in the mud with them. Shameful.
With all due respect please zip it on this subject. You have no idea what actually happened here but with 3 witnesses and the charges it's obviously egregious! I think Flores struck a very decent tone in his eline. I think we should have known about it before now but hey, that's me. No tree was used it was an eline.
Lisa and Jeff will loose their seats over this. I am not huge Mike fan but at least he didn't get in the mud with them. Shameful.
LCC_#1
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I am only making reference to the activity of the MEC leaders in PHX. If such illegal acts were to happen on the East, I would feel the same way. Yes, We all deserve better, but there is a huge difference in incompetence and what has transpired at 66. BIG!!
beachboy
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How is AFA 89 or 70 working for us? Just floating along not making waves? Just answering the phones? IN PHL we have Ernestine the Telephone Operators....OH MY FANS LOVE ME! I ANSWER PHONES!!!!!!! I WILL WIN RELECTION!!!!! Oh wait in CLT they can't even do that! LOL come on! Oh John got me paid for scheduling skipping me. NO Mrytle, John didn't get you crap your contract did. You YES YOU, can pick that same document up and call claims youself and sort it out. It's in black and white. AFA 66 allegedly stole documents. Outrageous to say she least. What they did on one action equals what the collective AFA East does daily. A great disservice. Everyone, enjoy your 30K a year and crappy work rules. Until you stand up and do something or elect the right people, shut up. Opps Becky has a volleyball game....gotta miss that AFA meeting. Wait, I commute from PIT and have no time to see where my paycheck comes from OPPS. CLT gals, the annual Hickory BBQ and Ho Down is the same day Annie C wants to talk about my pay. OH WELL! Suck it up sisters.
Travelpro72
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I believe that there are MANY flight attendants out there that have no idea how serious this truly is. I don't like to call anyone guilty without proof but c'mon. They are as good as gone from AFA. Now, keeping with what beachboy was saying......members need to SHUT UP until they are willing to stand up for their Union. What happened with AFA66 along with the less than stellar job being done at Local 70 is a slap in the face to all of the dues paying members. Let me dive into the waters of Local 70 for a brief minute. If you are a PHL based flight attendant and you feel John, Grace and Dan namely are doing a "great job" because they answered the phone and handled a claim etc. all I have to say is what a bunch of sheep. Do you SERIOUSLY not believe that it takes more than that? Jesus people. I am so disgusted not only by the Local 70 office but by the MORONS...yes MORONS that believe they are doing a great job. We're in trouble folks. No single person is gonna fight the fight for you. You voted them in with "low expectations" and you GOT IT! ! ! ! !
Not that it matters when it comes to family, but, expenses incurred in order to attend a union meeting are tax deductible, consult your tax advisor for nuance. For many, that could pay for at least one hotel, just saying.
safety stud
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Folks, we all have opinions on what AFA does. But this situation will show a classic way of how a union works. OUR union... It really doesn't matter if you are East or West on this one. An independant body of F/A's from other airlines will hear, deduct, and rule on the behavior of those accused. In the end, their decission will determine their outcome. This is classic union organization at work. IN HOUSE... This is the way it is supposed to be done.
The same holds true when you are on the line. If you have a problem with something, take it up with the union first. Let them take the ball before you go and bypass the system completely. If everyone did, employee's of this company (F/A's) would have a safer more efficient way of dealing with issues that pertain specifically to our group. Going straight to the company only gives you one recourse.
Bottom line, our constitution and bylaws govern what a union official can, and can not do....
Given the severity of this issue, my opinion is that the WEST will be looking at another election... However, that is still just my opinion. Until the Hearing Board makes their decision, those accused are innocent. And should be treated as such. We all have opinions on this issue. Let us take this oportunity to allow OUR system to work out the details...
Just my opinion...
The same holds true when you are on the line. If you have a problem with something, take it up with the union first. Let them take the ball before you go and bypass the system completely. If everyone did, employee's of this company (F/A's) would have a safer more efficient way of dealing with issues that pertain specifically to our group. Going straight to the company only gives you one recourse.
Bottom line, our constitution and bylaws govern what a union official can, and can not do....
Given the severity of this issue, my opinion is that the WEST will be looking at another election... However, that is still just my opinion. Until the Hearing Board makes their decision, those accused are innocent. And should be treated as such. We all have opinions on this issue. Let us take this oportunity to allow OUR system to work out the details...
Just my opinion...
There is no proof that the document was taken from Mike Flores case. Just the word of the West mec vp who likes to make mountains out of mole hills. I hate to say this here but a lot of people will be eating crow when it is discovered that there is more to this. I believe Mike Flores is reacting to information fed to him by the West mec vp. Why then did this issue not go way when the West s.t. spoke with Mike and told Mike face to face that he did copy documents that Mike left on the negotiating table for over 4 days. That really did happen and I want to know why Mike Flores filed charges at the beginning of april when he was told by the West mec vp soon after the issue happened in late january. The more I think about this I think Mike Flores is being used and has been put in a situation where he's believing what he's been told with no proof.
It is not right to say someone stole something with no eye witness or other proof. If something was really stolen then the police should have been called and a report filed. Stealing is a crime. If the item was on the negotiating table and was copied with other items then why did it take so long for Mike Flores to file charges. If it was really stolen and a crime happened why did the East mec not support Mike in filing the charges?
There is a ton of holes in this story on all sides. We are only getting tidbits of info. I still believe Mike Flores is being used by the West mes vp and the West mec president and s.t. are being falsly accused for stealing when it is really possible the s.t. copied what was left on the table. All roads lead to the West mec vp. The West mec vp and her best friend have been involved in all of the ousting of all of our mec presidents except for one guy. Strange they are involved with this mess. The theme at afa66 is the West mec vp and her friend the council rep have been tied to all of the attempted recalls which resulted in 2 mec presidents resigning and a very nasty election which ousted the former mec president. That is proof enough until the hearing board happens.
When is the hearing? I spoke with the West mec office yesterday and they have not be notified of a date yet. What is the process for telling the accused people of the hearing date?
C.R.
LCC_#1
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I know Mike. Mike may like the spot light, but he has the best interest of this combined company at heart. His job is to defend the East f/a's and look to their best interest until we are finally merged. Whether the charges are true or the VP in PHX is creating problem, this is just another example of the immaturity and deviance the West MEC seems to perpetuate through their actions. To somehow make Mike the bad guy is just stupid PERIOD!! This idea that he is trying to take over the West MEC is the craziest thing I have heard come out of the state of Arizona since the failed $2 charge for sodas.
From the AFA66 Hotline:
..."thereby placing control of this council, joint negotiations and your future in the hands of the East MEC."
What is she talking about? As long as we do not have a joint contract, AFA66 elects its own officers. Period. After reading this hotline, I wonder what other false information the AFA66 LECP is sending out to their members. (Unless, of course, she is referring to the fact that the negotiators for the West are lacking?)
Amateurs. The company is laughing hard at this one.
..."thereby placing control of this council, joint negotiations and your future in the hands of the East MEC."
What is she talking about? As long as we do not have a joint contract, AFA66 elects its own officers. Period. After reading this hotline, I wonder what other false information the AFA66 LECP is sending out to their members. (Unless, of course, she is referring to the fact that the negotiators for the West are lacking?)
Amateurs. The company is laughing hard at this one.
galley princess
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AFA USairways East and West have entered the realm of ridiculous.
Has there been any time more critical than this time with this management? Sure, there were other mergers, but not with a management like this one. None of us can underestimate this management's ability to twist and manipulate language and circumstance. They are a new breed and this is the nonsense that we are represented with?
Unfortunately, if anything near the speculation is true this is a grave situation. If privileged information from other work groups was left unsecured and did indeed fall into an "opposing side"'s hands then AFA has lost the trust and credibility of those who allowed that information to be used in pursuance of a fair F/A contract under the auspices of non disclosure.
Translation: if I am USAPA, and my information was trusted to what I was a secure entity, and instead it fell into WEST pilot hands, it would be a cold day in hell before I would disclose the kind of toothpaste I use, much less key goals.
Folks, we have very important ME TOOs at stake here.
This is definitely an "oh crap" moment.
Has there been any time more critical than this time with this management? Sure, there were other mergers, but not with a management like this one. None of us can underestimate this management's ability to twist and manipulate language and circumstance. They are a new breed and this is the nonsense that we are represented with?
Unfortunately, if anything near the speculation is true this is a grave situation. If privileged information from other work groups was left unsecured and did indeed fall into an "opposing side"'s hands then AFA has lost the trust and credibility of those who allowed that information to be used in pursuance of a fair F/A contract under the auspices of non disclosure.
Translation: if I am USAPA, and my information was trusted to what I was a secure entity, and instead it fell into WEST pilot hands, it would be a cold day in hell before I would disclose the kind of toothpaste I use, much less key goals.
Folks, we have very important ME TOOs at stake here.
This is definitely an "oh crap" moment.
Travelpro72
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From the AFA66 Hotline:
..."thereby placing control of this council, joint negotiations and your future in the hands of the East MEC."
Just this line right here shows you what kind of person the AFA66 MEC president is. This is an absolute lie to the fullest. If she says this kind of crap what else is she saying? Maybe the "OJ" jury will find her "not guilty".
Whatever..... your right the company is probably looking at this like AFA is a bunch of Yahoo crackers.
..."thereby placing control of this council, joint negotiations and your future in the hands of the East MEC."
Just this line right here shows you what kind of person the AFA66 MEC president is. This is an absolute lie to the fullest. If she says this kind of crap what else is she saying? Maybe the "OJ" jury will find her "not guilty".
Whatever..... your right the company is probably looking at this like AFA is a bunch of Yahoo crackers.- Status
