IAM Thread for the week of 2/19-2/26

[Tim Nelson]

Seek........Let me give you an example of who we're dealing with. Here is an email sent to me in response to an offered question.

-----Original Message-----
From: ME
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:54 PM
To: MS
Subject:

Your Renegade Internet Poster ( with 33 years of airline experience )

Mike33

The company's position has now gotten desperate as the negotiators have posted their emails up in the breakrooms and are responding to questions regarding the negotiations. We have intercepted several of these as our network has been emailing them and we will discuss them in time.
What is happening is that the company recognizes that it can't depend on the union bosses because the bosses have been illegitimate and have no juice. The company negotiators are preaching 'permanent' cuts and cost neutral. They will be a victim of their own device with such foolishness as the network of solidarity will orchestrate 'great pain' on the company when we vote and give them their reward for their corporate greed. Prepare to vote out another contract until the company negotiators clean up their waywardness.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

DL141 ELECTION UPDATE: BUF

BUF comes through for Delaney and Delaney now has the New York "Hat Trick" of EWR [UA], JFK, BUF.

The rest of the ticket was a split as the NEW DIRECTION TEAM swept the 2 year AGC, split the 4 year with runoffs for next month, and split the trustee and VP positions.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[cltrat]

cltrat
We have asked that question several times and cannot get a response.

as said it is clear he is nothing more than a lackey for the Boss

 

[mike33]

QUESTION FOR ANY ?????

Will the furloughed have a vote on the next TA if there is one?........I fear the answer, for them......Seekthetruth.........do you know ?

 

[Tim Nelson]

QUESTION FOR ANY ?????

Will the furloughed have a vote on the next TA if thre is one.........I fear the answer for them......Seekthetruth.........do you know ?

Furloughees can't vote on TA's under the IAM constitution.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[mike33]

Furloughees can't vote on TA's under the IAM constitution.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Nice......can't even vote to save yourself....talk about being locked-out..........

 

[mike33]

Nice......can't even vote to save yourself....talk about being locked-out..........

I guess I have a mission than...as long as you have recall you should be able to vote on anything that pertains to ur well being as a member..
The constitution should be changed.......

 

[diogenes]

No you can't vote on furlough, but the IAM will withhold dues from your severance pay.

Sounds like taxation without representation.

 

[cltrat]

No you can't vote on furlough, but the IAM will withhold dues from your severance pay.

Sounds like taxation without representation.

that is exactly what it sounds like not really surprising thogh

 

[diogenes]

To Tim Nelson and PJ and all others,
Whether your in agreement with me or not, I read your posts and think now read mine and think.
Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil, and that deal saved thousands of jobs and will position the members through airline consolidation. The alternative is to keep fighting the company and then everyone will be out of a job. District force may be right, see you all at wall mart if you want to shut things down at the negotiations table with the company. Your company needs a transition agreement and how many times do we have to keep saying this? Stop holding your company hostage because of renegade internet posters that put their political agenda ahead of your families. Sacrifice the 60 day rule and add on another 2 years of the contract because there is NO WAY Hemenway will allow anything other. Take what is offered and live to fight another day. There will only be 3 airlines by next year and all IAM members should be in better position to start making demands.


*seek the truth* ..in the words of one of the ''new direction slate'' puhllesse'

Spoken as a true Canalite. Canale threatened fleet with WalMart during the BK sell-out un-final offer.

You, as he, reveal your true contempt for fleet when you say WalMart is all fleet is capable of.

Typical fear-mongering. Here's some facts. Not a single guy from my station works at WalMart. They are working in county government, banks, hospitals, etc. Nobody wants to go back, and nobody wants any part of D141.

 

[cltrat]

so we should just accept withever TA the company shoves down our throat just so Dougweiser and his band of cronies can pull off a merger and walk off with millions? No thanks I'll take my chances I was looking for a job when I came here and I can look for one again if I need too

 

[mike33]

60 DAY RULE = the Brick that sank the ship............I don't think so !

You junior people accept that and you accept ur own fate in the next merger because it will apply to you but not nessesarily the other party....especially united ......we know it's not in their language

 

[roabilly]

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(Quote from Districtforce) You have no leverage to fight in the midst of consolidation. You want to follow Tim Nelson, then good luck at the dance! Consolidation is going to happen quick and if you force your company out of a dance partner then you risk being left out of the industry but in chapter 11 or more likely chapter 7. Your company is a low cost carrier and has a business plan that practices cost neutral negotiations
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Hmmm…. Well now…. Mr. Force,


Me ‘n a few other members are curious as to how tha hexx you can call our company ahh “low cost carrier� ….me ‘n tha boys see absolutely no indications of this “low cost†sxxx in anything other than tha stock symbol! Do yahh think we stupid?

What “low cost carrier†in this country, has a full and expanding international presence… first class service…. can scrounge up billions of dollars to buy Delta, and has ahh CEO constantly preachin’ consolidation?

No sir… Mr. Force…. We ain’t no low cost carrier… we ahh “Low Wage Carrierâ€!

In addition… Mr. Force… we don’t believe we gonna get left out ah tha merger dance.

We think that’s what’s what tha Company wants us tah believe… ‘n probably you too… as ahh present IAM regime supporter!

Our gut instinct is this.…

Tha Company would love tahh get all tha cost neutral T/A’s without adequate COC language ratified under tha pretenses of bein’ ahh stand alone low cost carrier, with no potential prospects of any merger partner… they’d be cite’n tha financial hardships of havin’ tah compete with the behemoths and tha LCC’s of tha industry… blahh... blahh …blahh…

Then… we see um’ revealin’ their true intentions, by miraculously findin’ this willin’ foreign... or legacy carrier with tons ahh money… that just so happens to be forced into merger plans due to industry consolidation trends! Then we left standin’ there with ahh substandard agreement in our hands, while tha rest of tha industry continues tah pass us by.


Me 'n tha boys 'n girls in CLT say .....IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!


(All Fleet members in support of this post....please post ahh thumbs or ahh thumbs down ! I ain't skeered !)




Roabilly

 

[seekthetruth]

Somewhat knew it,
'as I thought, all of you can't face the truth. Don't you know your jobs are on the line? What are you going to tell your families when you have to sign the Wall-Mart application? Go ahead and send your company back into bankruptcy, you already have 3 times and just don't get it do you? YOUR COMPANY IS A LOW COST CARRIER AND PRACTICES COST NEUTRAL NEGOTIATIONS....IT ISN'T RANDY CANALE'S FAULT BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS THIS. RANDY CANALE HAS BEEN AS HONEST AS HE COULD BE BUT ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS TALK DOWN ABOUT HIM. YOU HAVE YOUR JOB NOW BECAUSE OF RANDY CANALE!!!!!!!! AND THE COMPANY DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE SECTION 6 SO WHO'S HE GOING TO NEGOTIATE AGAINST? HIMSELF? DON'T BLAME RANDY FOR NOT DOING SECTION 6 AT AMERICA WEST, BLAME THE EAST SIDERS WHO DECIDED TO LISTEN TO INTERNET LIES AND BECAME TOO GREEDY FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. YOU PEOPLE ARE BAGGAGE HANDLERS, WAKE UP!
ONCE THINGS CONSOLIDATE THERE SHOULD BE PLENTY FOR EVERYONE BUT DON'T PUT YOUR COMPANY HOSTAGE! WAKE UP PEOPLE AND BE SENSIBLE. YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS BUT YOU MUST LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.SEE YOU ALL AT HARDEES FLIPPING BURGERS AFTER YOU STONEWALL YOUR COMPANY!
*seek the truth*

 

[philly rocks]

The company has plenty of money and will continue making millions more. We are not in BK, although they wish we were again to reap the bennies. Go to a shareholders meeting, get the reports, see what these mongrels are making. There is plenty to go around guys this is not 2001 when the US aviation fell off the map.

Randy Canale is a crook, Usairways BOD's are crooks and we have to pay for it? NOT !