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Again does the fleet still have a 401k plan or was it "cancelled" like you said. Yes or no.
Can you give specific numbers as to what the companies major $$ was they had to pay to the 401k? (would that have been a match of 50% of the employees contribution up to 2% maximum of employees pay?) And again how did you calculate the major concession you keep talking about (real numbers not I don't know or I am guessing numbers). Please include in your formula what the employees gave up (numbers) and what the got back in return (numbers) to reach your conclusion. I posted some info to help you out.
28 Hourly Pension Rate of $.65 cents effective 7/14/08
As a Local Chairman at the time, I had to fly to PIT and the IAM financial people went over the IAM pension with us. Dio or theo are spot on, the IAM pension plan was a $48.2 million concession.
No your info is wrong.
The company would be able to close all West line stations where there are no East line personnel maintained now. As the previous poster implied.
And per the ibt contract the west is under, they can't close any of ours and use contract maint. so its up to our transition team to not cave in to any lost stations.
Look, I referenced everything for you already. knowyourpension is an independent site and the link provided the info to show how the IAM pension is in the red by $300 million dollars. The sliding scales are on the IAM pension website and was last adjusted downward in 2003 I think.Theo and Dio are not spot on anything when they are not giving details. It means nothing without proof. Anyone can post what they think but it doesn't make it true.
You talk as if the fleet gave up their 401k for only the IAM pension plan. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The now have both.
Personally I would never want to be part of the IAM pension but I also wouldn't be spouting off about numbers and variables that I know nothing about to convince people to vote one way or another. Hey but guys want to win their agenda whether they play fair or not.
As a Local Chairman at the time, I had to fly to PIT and the IAM financial people went over the IAM pension with us. Dio I'm not an expert on the intracacies of pension plans but for a layman read you can go to http://www.knowyourpension.org/pensions/pe...nsion_Plan.aspx
Bottom line is that the IAM would love to get you in the IAM pension since it is underfunded but in reality, other retirement plans are Sooooo much more beneficial and modern than defined benefits which are not controlled or easily accessed by the individual. Roth plans, other evolved 401 plans are the way to go. Plans where you can get your hands on the money for house payments, college, medical, etc., etc., etc.,. This is common knowledge, don't go with a plan that is a living fossil with financial restrictions of the last century.
I don't want to get in a pissing match with any of you, check with your financial advisors, and don't take what the IAM or 700 is saying as gospel. If you all want the IAM pension then that's also cool. Just don't swallow all the b### S####.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
They cant lie, they would be caught in it.
If you dont believe it, then you find the current data to disprove it.
That info is from 2005, the info I pulled up is from the current web page www.iamnpf.org
You can work where ever you want, but if you are in the same industry I believe you cant collect your pension yet.