IAM Thread for the week of 2/19-2/26

[roadtrip]

Guys and Gals,
Ignore these people, they only join to disrupt the thread, the information.
I mean we have ''DF, LL, 141, and now Seek...Ignore them....It is all Canales' boys
coming out in the kitchen when the lights go out....cockroach's.

Thanks...move on.

Perv,

Got me thinking about this product from your statement here

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil,

Make a deal with the Devil. We already did that in bankruptcy. They line their pockets and golden parachutes with the sweat and blood of Fleet Service. Yet the employees are the ones who are costing company its future because we want fair wages and benefits…..Bulls__t!

They had a gun to our head in bankruptcy and we fell back, they outsource mail, freight how many East small stations and we fell back. The last TA was history waiting to repeat itself. Not again, the line must be drawn here, this far and no further! We finally have some bargaining power and if we had the sec 6 on the West side it would be that much more leverage. There is too much money to be made with the upcoming mergers for US Airways not to keep coming back to the bargaining table. But if they think we are going to settle for another version of that crappy TA, then they are sadly mistaken.

Personally I would rather see the airline shut down then become the "WalMart" of airlines.

And ‘Seek the truth’, let go of your fear. Fear is the mind killer.

Agent “Vâ€￾

 

[redeye]

Could not have said it better.
Dead on!

Thanks,

 

[orioleman]

Tim,
"I was glad to see he went back to work yesterday. We have our disagreements but he's on the negotiations team and that is 'sacred ground' as far as I'm concerned. We must have the backs of our negotiators if the company dispatches one. A foul against them would be a foul against all.
We can handle our internal union squabbles within the union through democracy but If any outside institution messes with our negotiators then they are cutting our sacred with profanities and worthy of reward. It's called respect.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago"

Tim, thanks for the kind words. Just doing my job.
also let me say your thread is spoken like a true Union Guy.. You have been that way for almost 20 yrs as far as I can remember

SO for the Boss's Poneys out there . IF you doubt Tims heart and intergratiy then YOU doubt UNIONISM >>>

 

[Theo Corner]

To Tim Nelson and PJ and all others,
Whether your in agreement with me or not, I read your posts and think now read mine and think.
Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil, and that deal saved thousands of jobs and will position the members through airline consolidation. The alternative is to keep fighting the company and then everyone will be out of a job. District force may be right, see you all at wall mart if you want to shut things down at the negotiations table with the company. Your company needs a transition agreement and how many times do we have to keep saying this? Stop holding your company hostage because of renegade internet posters that put their political agenda ahead of your families. Sacrifice the 60 day rule and add on another 2 years of the contract because there is NO WAY Hemenway will allow anything other. Take what is offered and live to fight another day. There will only be 3 airlines by next year and all IAM members should be in better position to start making demands.


*seek the truth* ..in the words of one of the ''new direction slate'' puhllesse'

I am beginning to think that you ARE DistrictForce. Neither of you seem to be able to spell the store Wal-Mart.

If the relatively paltry amounts, in relation to the big picture, we are asking for will break this company than maybe we are so badly run that we should close down. You say we should be in a better position to deal and make demands NEXT YEAR but at the same time you are telling us to bite the bullet and settle NOW . If we settle now and allow this to last until 2012, then how will we be able to take advantage of NEXT YEAR'S only three airlines. You say we cannot have our cake and eat it too, but then tell us we can have our cake and eat it too. Which is it?

Yes, this company NEEDS a transition agreement and we NEED to use the leverage we have RIGHT NOW to get what we can. I do not think any of us are looking for $25 an hour, two more weeks of vacation, fifteen holidays, etc... We just want what is fair. I would be fine to accept an industry median. I am tired of dragging down the industry's wage scale average like we have for the last 10 (or more) years!

h34r:

 

[The Bagfather]

To Tim Nelson and PJ and all others,
Whether your in agreement with me or not, I read your posts and think now read mine and think.
Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil, and that deal saved thousands of jobs and will position the members through airline consolidation. The alternative is to keep fighting the company and then everyone will be out of a job. District force may be right, see you all at wall mart if you want to shut things down at the negotiations table with the company. Your company needs a transition agreement and how many times do we have to keep saying this? Stop holding your company hostage because of renegade internet posters that put their political agenda ahead of your families. Sacrifice the 60 day rule and add on another 2 years of the contract because there is NO WAY Hemenway will allow anything other. Take what is offered and live to fight another day. There will only be 3 airlines by next year and all IAM members should be in better position to start making demands.


*seek the truth* ..in the words of one of the ''new direction slate'' puhllesse'

At first when I read this post I assumed you were referring to Canale as the devil.
So I finally figured out you were referring to the company. We need more details
on what you think is an acceptable contract, otherwise this post is meaningless.
Detail pay scale, scope language(outsourcing). vacation, sick pay policy, short
term long term disability, duration, COC language, everything.

You say the " company needs a transition agreement and how many times do
we have to keep saying this?". Please explain what the implication of this is
because we've been saying the same thing with the implication that we have
some leverage with the company. So for you to say that ....I'm really lost.

Do you really feel that the company is being held hostage by internet rants?

I'm sure you'll get more than just a little feedback about your accusation
that some are putting thier political agenda ahead of the welfare of starving
families. But I take this as a very serious battle. Its about how a union
and a company can negotiate with only their own interests in mind.

Your concept about a three airline scenario is weak. It can easily be used
against you. For instance if that is true as we have been saying the
Parker should be more motivated now.

What's your idea on the time frame for a better contract down the road?
We'll be locked into to our TA. How's that gonna work?

But most of all,what does Canale have to do with this. Do you think
that somebody else would have done worse given the same circumstances?
How so? Thanks....looking forward to your next thoughts.. BF

 

[orioleman]

Guys and Gals,
Ignore these people, they only join to disrupt the thread, the information.
I mean we have ''DF, LL, 141, and now Seek...Ignore them....It is all Canales' boys
coming out in the kitchen when the lights go out....cockroach's.

Thanks...move on.

Perv , You being the responsible adult you are THANKS..

but dude it's so much fun playing with Canales Puppets...

I always wondered what it would be like to be a puppeteer and now I know..

stay strong my friend

 

[Edward]

Shut Up Beavis!

Folks there are parts of this thread & certain posters that are way of line. If you desire to continue to post this stuff must stop NOW. Stay on topic & NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. It's not hard. There is time off if you can not or will not comply.

Edit to add this thread is very close to being closed & if some one starts a new one before the new date 7 days off for not following moderator warning.

 

[orioleman]

"Take what is offered and live to fight another day"

Geez, That sound's alot like T. Reagan...................

Oh let's all be scared of airline consolidation.. It's funny Randy's being running scared of that .. long before

this merger mania started... He's been so called working on this t/a for almost 2 yrs.. funny NO talk about that

merger stuff back then..

Tommy you need to stay off the board you tip your hat every time

 

[The Janitor]

speak no truth,

Who are you preaching to? We all understand what you have to contend with.
But, you are the only elephant in this room. I am sure Al has told you in a very
stern way that you have to do something about this "renegade" network. The
company can no longer divide and conquer fleet service.
Al can see the solidarity and knows that this has never happened. They understand
that they must overcome this because the true negotiating is not happening
in sidebar. Al also knows that if he fails he will probably be replaced. Who will
Randy play golf with then? If you push their agenda, you are not friend. Take your
soap box somewhere else.

Al's job is definately on the line. His foot dragging is really costing him now since these mergers have sneaked up rather quickly on him. Fleet service is actually in good shape and will do well but I've seen Al in action so you might have to vote out another contract before he folds. He's stubborn but hasn't ever been pushed when the chips are on the table.

As for all these Canale posters talking about live to fight another day, that's what they always say. You guys are in a good position, hang in there and trust eachother.

 

[JoeDirt]

Al's job is definately on the line. His foot dragging is really costing him now since these mergers have sneaked up rather quickly on him. Fleet service is actually in good shape and will do well but I've seen Al in action so you might have to vote out another contract before he folds. He's stubborn but hasn't ever been pushed when the chips are on the table.

As for all these Canale posters talking about live to fight another day, that's what they always say. You guys are in a good position, hang in there and trust eachother.

That day is here and the fight is on!!!!!

 

[mike33]

To Tim Nelson and PJ and all others,
Whether your in agreement with me or not, I read your posts and think now read mine and think.
Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil, and that deal saved thousands of jobs and will position the members through airline consolidation. The alternative is to keep fighting the company and then everyone will be out of a job. District force may be right, see you all at wall mart if you want to shut things down at the negotiations table with the company. Your company needs a transition agreement and how many times do we have to keep saying this? Stop holding your company hostage because of renegade internet posters that put their political agenda ahead of your families. Sacrifice the 60 day rule and add on another 2 years of the contract because there is NO WAY Hemenway will allow anything other. Take what is offered and live to fight another day. There will only be 3 airlines by next year and all IAM members should be in better position to start making demands.


*seek the truth* ..in the words of one of the ''new direction slate'' puhllesse'

Seek........Let me give you an example of who we're dealing with. Here is an email sent to me in response to an offered question.

-----Original Message-----
From: ME
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:54 PM
To: MS
Subject:

Hello MS

Now I’m sorry I missed ur visit to our station on tue, because I understand it was interesting. Anyway since you’ve offered ur email for questions, I thought I might put in my 2 cents.

Why does the TA have language in it that addresses’ the 60 day Rule as being eliminated from date of signing, only for those that are presently employed but doesn’t apply to those that were furloughed before the signing.

“Effective on date of ratification the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that
occur (after that date.)â€￾

What reason would USairways have for not wanting the previously furloughed people back?

REPLY:

From: MS
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:59 AM
To:ME
Subject: RE:

Hey Mike......good to hear from you...sorry I missed you during my visit recently.

The best way to answer your question is to remind you that the purpose of these particular negotiations is to bring the former TWU represented Fleet employees under the current IAM agreement. As we worked through the negotiations which finally culminated with the TA, both sides recognized that there were some areas we could work on for both the former East and West employees. One of the areas was the 60 day rule and this rule went several different directions before the language you just quoted was finally agreed upon by both sides. Of course this agreement was not ratified by the members so we have entered back into negotiations, and are in fact meeting in PHL next week to pick this back up and attempt to finalize an agreement. This particular issue has nothing to do with "not wanting" any employees back, it is merely just one area that the Company and the IAM agreed to change the language since we have furloughed Fleet employees that came back to work for America West while we worked out an agreement. Hope this helps, remember there are a lot of dollars attached to the current IAM agreement that made the merger possible, to go back and undo several of the issues in that agreement puts all of us at risk of getting back into the financial trouble we just got out of.

Best to you Mike,

MS

So Seek....In all ur unionism, explain to me why a union ( your union ) would ever agree with this company in this particular part of the 60 day rule. If you read the reply he says " The issue has nothing to do with "not wanting" any employees back."
Then what does it have to do with? All he says is it's there while we work out an agreement. ( IT IS THE AGREEMENT ) ...I am saying to you.........right here and now that my vote will be a no vote if that rule is still there in the next TA

I don't trust the company and I don't trust the union even more. I can't say I was one of the smart ones to get hired by HP after the merger anouncement,
but I didn't trust this company enough to wait it out for recall and it proved right so far. We will see, but don't tell me how bad anyone needs anything when ur working and those dues paying members might not be and possibly have no hope of being recalled because of shallow souled people that think the way you do.
If you find that you need to get this done with the present union negotiators than cross ur fingers that The RC Show prevails because my previous experiece has not been satisfying, with them. The time to walk out of negotiations is when the company is making money and the time to give back has PAST.

Your Renegade Internet Poster ( with 33 years of airline experience )

Mike33

 

[cltrat]

shockey I still have not seen you answer orioleman,s question about who you worked for? clearly you are merely a lackey for the Boss as he is a lackey for Dougweiser quit being a douche and tell us!

 

[JoeDirt]

cltrat
We have asked that question several times and cannot get a response.

 

[roadtrip]

People,
Canale is a true unionist and can mobilize people with just phone calls. Don't blame Randy for not being able to deliver a fair contract, blame Bush.
How many of you have helped Randy and went to DC for our day of action?

Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates senior workers who have been laid off?

Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates profit sharing and contracts out more jobs?

*seek the truth* it's out there.

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Truth You Can't Handle the Truth!
Canale is a divider seeking his own agenda and not that of the membership he represents. Why should I blame Bush for representation issues he is not the one that has lame duck officers in leadership offices of District 141 who are sucking the membership dry with dues increases while members wages have gone down.

How many of us went to DC? Dude I cant afford to take a day off sick never mind just give up on the poverity wages US pays me thanks to Canale's leadership in BK's.

Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates profit sharing and contracts out more jobs? He did just that with the last TA if he didnt he would not have brought back such nonsense for the membership to vote down in huge numbers.

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