Iam Lost

[av60]

trump mechanics to get senority

http://www.iamdl142.org/august_11.USA.htm

 

[cavalier]

It means that the morally pure IAM can and was found by a court of law to equally as treacherous as the Evil Management at US Airways.

[post="168475"][/post]​

Define Evil----treacherous---and what "it", means.


It worked for Clinton

 

[cavalier]

Treacherous in this case means when one group of so-called "Union Brothers & Sisters" actively seeks to throw another under the seniority bus for personal gain.

Evil Management refers to the more vociferous IAM supporters portrayal of the current management of US Airways.

It in this case refers to the court case and the posters confusion.
Hypocracy is Hypocracy whether it be "Union" or "Management". Seems to me the IAM was every bit as Treacherous as the company you alledgedly hate yet continue to work for.

[post="168481"][/post]​

Regardless the fault, what's your take on the final outcome?

You KNOW what mine is.

 

[av60]

Although i will lose senority it is fair.
I just wonder if there will be a monetary award,
and if so how much will my dues go up?

 

[cavalier]

I personally think the outcome will be worse than liquidation, in that a great many will lose their jobs and the balance will work at wages far less than they do now. my predictions failing agreements and regardless of the IAM ruling. An IAM ruling in US's favor just makes everything a bit easier.

1. US declares BK #2
2. US voids (wrong legal term) leases on any and all facilities used by the non compliant unions (IAM, CWU)
3. RSA takes a bigger position as DIP financier or even looks to take company private.
4. In exchange for the additional investment, US agrees to move the bulk of operations to AL.
5. Action #4 allows US to avoid abbrogating contracts. The fact that 30 to 40 percent will assert their transfer rights will allow US to hire entry level wage folks off the street, thereby giving them the cuts they need.
6. ALPA will have a deal in place putting even more pressure on the AFA.
7. AFA will eventually capitulate dispite the chest thumping from PIT.
8. US Airways will continue to eliminate structural cost from their business at Bronner's insistance.

You asked Cav so don't shoot the messenger.

[post="168501"][/post]​

No shooting from me.

You are being more positive than my vision.

No way do I think Dr B wants this airline any longer and in fact Lakefield already stated it was a mistake. One single union member left and the Dr couldn't deal with it whether in AL or CLT/PIT. He wants the unions gone completely and if there is a way to do it and he really wants a airline, that is the path he will take otherwise I believe he will step aside like Warren Buffet did saying it was a mistake.

I still believe U is finished because they lost the most important element, their employees trust.

 

[wings396]

Is there some untapped thriving Market hiding in AL???? There are no major Airline operations there for a good reason. He may be able to bring Jobs to AL, but he will have to buy the passengers.

 

[ITRADE]

"Our attorneys are reviewing the decision to determine what legal avenues may be available.â€￾

Uhhh....What others are there? You can request hearing en banc, which will be likely denied. See, e.g., International Association of Machinists v. US Airways, Inc., No. 03-4169 (3d Cir. Mar. 6, 2004). Or file cert at the Supreme Court. But since IAM's main issue of contention was one of civil procedure, and not one of a constitutional nature, I'd say IAM's chances are z.e.r.o.

 

[USA320Pilot]

PineyBob:

You're a bright and perceptive man.

Regards,

Chip

 

[Heinrich]

Sigh, this is all very depressing

 

[700UW]

Before all you bathroom lawyers judge the case you need to get the facts.

When Trump bought the Shuttle from Eastern Airlines the Eastern employees had to resign from EA and hire on with Trump. They were non-union and all had new dates of hire. They then went with AMFA who never did anything then collect dues, they then went back to the IAM.

When US bought the shuttle from city bank the employees sued the IAM for their entire seniority from the job they had quit.

The mechanics claimed in trial that the mainline US employees were mean to them and called them scabs because they performed struck work on mainline US planes during the strike of 1992.

In my entire union longevity, did I never see a jury rule that if you quit an employer and take a new job, that your old seniority goes to your new job.

That would be like you Bob working for Xerox, for 20 years, going to Konica and leap frogging seniority-wise in front of all the Konica employees while you only have one day there and they have years.

I believe that is better way to explain it. So all you bathroom attorneys can rethink what you have posted since none of you know the case.

 

[700UW]

Bob,

In regard to the Airbus, the company is the one who filed a grievance AGAINST the IAM, not the other way around.

And the IAM will win the grievance.

 

[mweiss]

The tone and tenor of your posts come across to me at least as almost gleeful in the misery that is the airline industry.

[post="168592"][/post]​

They do to me, too, though I suspect it's more about proving himself right than it is schadenfreude.

 

[700UW]

They do to me, too, though I suspect it's more about proving himself right than it is schadenfreude.

[post="168598"][/post]​

Maybe he is compensating.

 

[700UW]

The battle is being fought outside the court, it is in the arbitration process and Mr Bloch should give his ruling at the end of August.

 

[PITbull]

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