IAM update on NMB decision

[700AW]

The IAM is not organizing at NWA, how many times does that have to be explained to you? Even a NWA poster on this board has stated that.

The IAM represented the mechanics throughout the bankruptcy case, even though they were not the legal certified representatives of the mechanics.

Open your own eyes and educate yourself, something you seem can't to do.

you need educating uw.. you are no longer under m and r, so do not tell us mechs what we should or should not, could or could not, will or wil not do. you say means nothing to us don't you get that

where are my rags.......

 

[700UW]

Funny the CBA says differant. The only thing the NMB did say clerks dont vote in the election, please show us where they removed clerks off the CBA?

And I see you have to resort to a lame attempt at an insult once again and avoid the issues at hand.

Keep trying.

By the way why don't you tell the board what one of your previous jobs was?

 

[700AW]

Funny the CBA says differant. The only thing the NMB did say clerks dont vote in the election, please show us where they removed clerks off the CBA?

And I see you have to resort to a lame attempt at an insult once again and avoid the issues at hand.

Keep trying.

By the way why don't you tell the board what one of your previous jobs was?

then explain why you don't vote with the m and r.. you will be put in with the west stockers and have to work on a new cba, or be transitioned in with the ibt cba on the west side. don't split hairs, the nmb did not remove you from the cba, as you siad the nmb does not make or break cba's, but if you are moved out of the group and added to the west then the new stock group will have to iron out a cba to cover themselves, that is unless there is a vote for the new stock group..

What is this about a previous job???
You promised that I would never have to tell in public what I did.. but if you ask I must answer as to not arouse suspicions that i have hidden agenda, much like yourself that will not answer a direct question.
So here is my previous job, funny how you bring this up now, but I was a male prostitute at a "male" establishment back east, but you already new that since you were the Trainer/ talent evaluator!!!!!!!!

 

[700UW]

No, the clerks dont have to be put on a new CBA, at EAL, the mechanics, ramp and related were all on the same CBA and each voted on parts specific to them.

Show me where they have to be removed from the CBA?

And your once again you ibters have to result to insults and attacks.

Guess that is all can do since you cant refute what I post, nor answer questions with facts.

 

[700AW]

No, the clerks dont have to be put on a new CBA, at EAL, the mechanics, ramp and related were all on the same CBA and each voted on parts specific to them.

Show me where they have to be removed from the CBA?

And your once again you ibters have to result to insults and attacks.

Guess that is all can do since you cant refute what I post, nor answer questions with facts.

this is not EAL or any other airline, this is not the 1950's you need to worry about the here and now. you ask me to show were this or that can be done, why don't you post where it can't be done..
Again. why is it that the stockers won't vote with the m and r......
you say that they don't have to be put under a new cba.. but that does not mean it won't happen, you said all along that the stockers were part of the m and r.. now it appears not to be true...

chekc your post and your shorts for insults.....

 

[700UW]

You are the one who posted it so back up your posts with facts.

The NMB ruling is online, have you not read it?

All it says basically is the clerks will not vote if there is an election.

Please show me where it says they will be removed from a CBA that they have been working under since 1949.

According to the CBA clerks still are.

 

[700AW]

You are the one who posted it so back up your posts with facts.

The NMB ruling is online, have you not read it?

All it says basically is the clerks will not vote if there is an election.

Please show me where it says they will be removed from a CBA that they have been working under since 1949.

According to the CBA clerks still are.

since you brought it up again, where is a link to the 1949 cba that has stockers on it.. I have asked you several times for it, but in your same old way you say that i must find it if i want to see it, yet you will not post any evidence( your opinion as you believe it is not a viable piece of evidence)no, i am not going to look up chick or go to the iam museum in altlanta, if it take me to do that then how do you know it is there???


where is a link to it online, the nmb site does not have it on and i want to read it from a 3rd party site....

after a quick trip the the iam(overrated)dl142 site, the june 29 nmb ruling letter that is on their states in the 2nd paragraph that" the representaion of the stock clerks will be handled seperately from the maechanics and related craft or class"

so there it is in black and white from your own people....

 

[700UW]

Still not answering and providing the board with the facts that the stock clerk will be removed from the CBA.

I have explained to you numerous times how to get a current and former CBAs, not my fault if you dont get them.

I have posted the exact paragraph with the R# and the verbage of the language.

So you told the board the stock clerks will not be on the CBA that they have worked under since 1949, so when are you going to post the evidence to support your statement?

 

[700AW]

Still not answering and providing the board with the facts that the stock clerk will be removed from the CBA.

I have explained to you numerous times how to get a current and former CBAs, not my fault if you dont get them.

I have posted the exact paragraph with the R# and the verbage of the language.

So you told the board the stock clerks will not be on the CBA that they have worked under since 1949, so when are you going to post the evidence to support your statement?

my point exactly, you will not post the links to the facts you are providing, yet you require that I do.

As i said earlier "after a quick trip the the iam(overrated)dl142 site, the june 29 nmb ruling letter that is on their states in the 2nd paragraph that" the representaion of the stock clerks will be handled seperately from the mechanics and related craft or class"

that sounds like you won't be on the cba. with that said you will still have everything from that at your disposal until you are transitioned into the ibt cba or negotiate a new one...

 

[700UW]

Sounds like? Are we playing charades?

I have asked you several times and I will ask you once again, where in the NMB ruling does it state to remove the stock clerks from the IAM/US CBA which the clerks have been working under and part of since 1949?

Representation, not CBA.

And once again, no one from East will be transitioned to any ibt cba if there is an election and the ibt wins, the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving CBA but we have been over this numerous times and have posted cases, a change in representation does not change the CBA, do you not even read your own ibt information?

 

[700AW]

Sounds like? Are we playing charades?

I have asked you several times and I will ask you once again, where in the NMB ruling does it state to remove the stock clerks from the IAM/US CBA which the clerks have been working under and part of since 1949?

Representation, not CBA.

And once again, no one from East will be transitioned to any ibt cba if there is an election and the ibt wins, the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving CBA but we have been over this numerous times and have posted cases, a change in representation does not change the CBA, do you not even read your own ibt information?

the ibt literature is that both groups stay under their respective cba's until a new cba for the newly intergrated group is ratified.. yes i do read the ibt, you must not.

the only charades here are in your mind. if you are represented by a different union than the m and r and don't share class or craft how do you think that you will be in the cba?????( again, you would stay on your current cba until your new stock group rstifies a cba)

ANd lastly... if we are stuck with the cba and it can not be changed, then why are the fa's and pilots getting a new cba... AND TEHY ARE REPPED BY THE SAME UNION!!!!

 

[700UW]

ALPA and AFA at both carriers that is why.

Differant unions get transition agreements.

And explain why at EAL that they all were under one CBA and each group voted on their respective areas and the rest were common?

And once again I am still waiting for your answer and facts where in the NMB ruling does it remove the Stock Clerks from a CBA that they have been working under since 1949?

There is no new CBA to be ratified, they will still work under the current one.

How many times am I going to have to ask till you provide the true answer?

 

[insp89]

WOW,
The F/A's and pilots are re-negotiating their whole bankrupcy laden CBA's ???

While the mechanics get a "Transition" agreement ??

Can this be true ???

 

[delldude]

WOW,
The F/A's and pilots are re-negotiating their whole bankrupcy laden CBA's ???

While the mechanics get a "Transition" agreement ??

Can this be true ???

who said that?

all union groups can do no better than to combine several existing agreements into one by transition.... :blink:

 

[smmech]

The ESE CBA at NW provides the scope language to do ancillary duties.

Job functions covered under the AMFA CBA..