Seniority Agreement Reached with IAM/TWU/AA/US

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I noticed on the US Airway senority list the CC's have a senority date of when they assumed the position. Is this going to be carried over also? United has this type of senority also, it protects the CC's or Inspector's.

Ronin

what ever work rules are in place at each carrier will have to be discussed during the intergration of work forces. Neither the TWU's or IAM's rules will be maintained after it is all worked out. Until then each carrier will operate seperate even though we get merged as one carrier. Also a union will have to be decided as well.

Continental and United still have not merged work forces and its been 3 yrs at least.

USAir and America West Pilots are still not merged to my understanding as well its been 5 yrs for them.

Lets get rid of the TWU because they have screwed us enough.​

AMFA at AA in 2013​

 

[Just Another BK]

And if you want to believe management when they tell you what they can afford to pay you will find yourself paying them for the privilege of working on their airplanes.

Yep all Management does is lie and create bankruptcies for the sake of screwing you ! Grow up man the business model is broken and needs tweeked/ fixed at AMR. They lost 10 Billion Dollars over the last 10 years ? Yep totally made up numbers. That's what all the Steel town guys thought too until they saw all the mills shut down, lost their jobs and pensions. Even the Pilots at USAirways priced themselves out of a job. Large Carrier wages, benefits and the worst pension plan a company could afford finally broke the Companies back thanks to parity plus 1%. Now do I think I am worth $37.50 like United Mech's are getting. You betcha ! If they can afford it then the New AMR should be able to make it happen too. BTW if you feel you can make more somewhere else feel free to close the door on your way out.

 

[Just Another BK]

I noticed on the US Airway senority list the CC's have a senority date of when they assumed the position. Is this going to be carried over also? United has this type of senority also, it protects the CC's or Inspector's.

US Leads and Inspectors times are accrued from the date of the award, whether you put in 9Months or 20 years in the actual Job its all the same for bidding purposes, shifts and days off. If no one bids the position today there is an interview process rather than by straight seniority.

 

[pjirish317]

Just another BK

What ever fences are or will be put up in my opinion will be only temp until the IAM/TWU and/or IAM/AMFA or IAM/IBT which ever one is here at AA gets a deal worked out by which each persons rights are fair. I can't say and neither can anyone else.

How they will set the fences and what will happen to the TWA guys when and if they ever leave STL or any other tWA station. What is going on at CAL/UAL where both companies are the same union IBT why it has taken so long why don't you ask the IBT guys at your station since they are pushing cards everywhere. Ask them why, Ask which group there is going to get screwed. The loss of a pension at CAL guys would be one that sticks out for me. Just like I think the IAM pension that USAir contributes into I think at USA will be stopped since AA does not have that anymore.
We as mechanics in the airline industry are so worried about what ( I ) get rather than what we as a whole group should have. That is why companies like AA/UAL/CAL/USAir and all those from the past take and take. We get screwed.

As far as the IAM being fair to its employees ask the TWA guys what the IAM did to them at TWA? I was IAM at Eastern the IAM was great then, they also had most of the carriers back in those days as well. More power, now who do they have?
Of the three industrial unions I would prefer the IAM but, I would rather have a Craft Union at this point. AMFA is the only craft union available at this point for ALL of US.
If there was another I would weigh them both against each other and then choose but we don't have that at this time.

The TWU and IAM had it go to court and the court decided to give the TWA guys the 4/10/01 date. Unless at a TWA station and then get 25% at others not the unions.

"YES" both the TWU and IAM have come out with letters stating that they agree that merging by occupational/classification (which is the same) is fair and I agree. But this also has been talked about by us here on this board. NO ONE has the answer, we have an opinion and thats all. We all want it to be fair. When its all said and done the only union that will give us a VOTE on how its DONE will be AMFA ask the AT/SWA guys if they had a vote in it. The TWA guys didn't and the CAL/UAL won't either with the Teamsters.

What makes you think that if the merger does indeed happen, that the "new" AA will not have to contribute to the IAM pension?

It is a contractual item, not a voluntary one. The "new" AA will be on the hook for it as long as it remains in the negotiated CBA. No matter what union survives, that is, until a t/a reached.

For example, lets just say that amfa does indeed win the election at AA. US/AA are merged, and amfa is the representative for the merged M & R workgroup. Amfa is responsabile for enforcing the IAM contract until such time as a new agreement representing the merged workgroups is agreed upon and ratified by the membership. Which means amfa would be responsible for making sure that the "new" AA kept up with it contributions to the pension for the US M & R folks.

 

[swamt]

What makes you think that if the merger does indeed happen, that the "new" AA will not have to contribute to the IAM pension?

It is a contractual item, not a voluntary one. The "new" AA will be on the hook for it as long as it remains in the negotiated CBA. No matter what union survives, that is, until a t/a reached.

For example, lets just say that amfa does indeed win the election at AA. US/AA are merged, and amfa is the representative for the merged M & R workgroup. Amfa is responsabile for enforcing the IAM contract until such time as a new agreement representing the merged workgroups is agreed upon and ratified by the membership. Which means amfa would be responsible for making sure that the "new" AA kept up with it contributions to the pension for the US M & R folks.

This is only my opinion. You are correct about the US pension. It is contractually binding until amendable date of contract. Then it is open to nego's. Here's what the US air guys need to happen. AA needs to be out of BK first, then you guys come to an agreement to integrate. If you guys integrate before AA is out of BK then they will in fact use the court system to freeze or dispose of the US mechs pension. Again this is only my opinion; but I forsee AA trying to rid of the pension (freeze or rid) prior to coming out of BK. The other thing that will happen is if AA is not successful of ridding the pension, then it will be discussed during the newly nego single CBA for both groups. And I can see this thing holding the integration up. All the US guys hold out to keep the pension (of course) and all the AA guys hold out for the pension to become part of their new contract otherwise the co would never see the group on one combined CBA. Just a thought...

 

[FWAAA]

This is only my opinion. You are correct about the US pension. It is contractually binding until amendable date of contract. Then it is open to nego's. Here's what the US air guys need to happen. AA needs to be out of BK first, then you guys come to an agreement to integrate. If you guys integrate before AA is out of BK then they will in fact use the court system to freeze or dispose of the US mechs pension. Again this is only my opinion; but I forsee AA trying to rid of the pension (freeze or rid) prior to coming out of BK. The other thing that will happen is if AA is not successful of ridding the pension, then it will be discussed during the newly nego single CBA for both groups. And I can see this thing holding the integration up. All the US guys hold out to keep the pension (of course) and all the AA guys hold out for the pension to become part of their new contract otherwise the co would never see the group on one combined CBA. Just a thought...

AA's bankruptcy is irrelevant to the contractual benefits held by the IAM-represented US mechanics. Nothing owed to US employees can be modified/rejected/abrogated in the AA bankruptcy.

US employees could voluntarily relinquish benefits before or after the merger, but AA's bankruptcy can be used only to forcibly modify AA's employee benefits.

 

[Rogallo]

This time..!!!!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

What makes you think that if the merger does indeed happen, that the "new" AA will not have to contribute to the IAM pension?

It is a contractual item, not a voluntary one. The "new" AA will be on the hook for it as long as it remains in the negotiated CBA. No matter what union survives, that is, until a t/a reached.

For example, lets just say that amfa does indeed win the election at AA. US/AA are merged, and amfa is the representative for the merged M & R workgroup. Amfa is responsabile for enforcing the IAM contract until such time as a new agreement representing the merged workgroups is agreed upon and ratified by the membership. Which means amfa would be responsible for making sure that the "new" AA kept up with it contributions to the pension for the US M & R folks.

pjirish317

I did not say that it would happen right away but I did say it would go away. And You are correct as long as its in the cba your correct. When they merge the two work groups that will be gone. AA will not pay one group as it has taken it away from all three unions here. It will be the unions on property that will have to inforce that, you are correct there as well.

"I knew that" I assumed you would understand what I ment. Just as the IBT/CAL guys are going to loose what they have since the IBT/UAL guys don't have it. It's only a matter of time..

 

[700UW]

M&R had their DBP terminated in 2005 in bankruptcy.

The IAMPF was negotiated in the transition agreement and replaced the 401k match totally.

You still have a frozen pension which AA must contribute too and they are matching your 401k also, correct?

The members on the US side wont put up with the loss of a pension again.

 

[1AA]

As long as the TWU is still representing the AMT's back door deals will continue. If the TWU will still be representing us after the merger is complete you will see some kind of quick CBA to minimize AA's financial responsibility to fund the USAir/IAM pension.
The TWU will give a whole new meaning to the word "Fast Track".

 

[700UW]

They cant change the CBA without the members approval, it would be a DFR.

 

[TWU informer]

They cant change the CBA without the members approval, it would be a DFR.

They just did with the seniority agreement.

 

[700UW]

No they didnt, its the same as the CBA at US and the IAM.

 

[TWU informer]

I don't remember getting to vote on your agreement but glad you were protected as a union man.

 

[700UW]

I am talking about the IAM at US, not the TWU at AA, read the topic, we were talking about the IAMNPF.