I am curious about the difference between the east pilots breaking their agreement to abide by binding arbitration and the west pilots joing USAPA to avoid termination.
Secondly, section 29 terminations will serve to mitigate in a small way the effect of Nic.
Bad linkage there, shucks. Again you make the assumption USAPA inherited what the East MEC agreed to. Answer to that on appeal. It was the East MEC, not USAPA. We saw how bad East MEC mangled arbitration. No wonder ALPAs gone. Meanwhile, Section 29 terminations will happen, only this time without drama at the gate. No mitigation for those too stupid to pay.
You are dreaming if you think that 90% of the East pilots (especially most of the captains) truly want to continue forever under LOA 93, if offered a considerably better contract. How long should every pilot and his/her family suffer, just to delay the inevitable court-ordered seniority integration for a short period of time? A much improved contract is possible for all pilots; it's definitely going to be time to move.
Your source? With LOA84 pay rates, $70M coming in, able to work to 65, pension revisited, LOA93 is more than tolerable. OUR source, those we fly with. Snark is right, shows how little the west knows about our contract.
Actually, LOA 84 will be just fine for a temporary pay enhancement. Negotiable items would include work rules and benefits, some the west is "ahead of", others, not so much. The issue is, what is the west going to give up to get LOA 84 pay?
USAPA appears to be well behind where ALPA left off negotiations. They don't seem to understand either west's scheduling section or the scheduling sections already tabled.
Not sure about being behind. With ALPA, we were essentially nowhere. ALPA even broke off talks. ALPA was canned before the company put The Kirby on the table. On scheduling, we’re getting cooperation from your best scheduling aces, Wxxxx and Jxxxx
The fact that the judge's order both mirrors the TA and is simple reduces the chances it will be overturned on appeal from low to extremely low. Though I was loath to make a prediction on the outcome of the Addington trial, I don't feel I am going very far out on a limb in predicting that USAPA's appeal is going to die a quick and certain death.
Wake didn’t hurt us much at all. Believe it or not, Harper’s deposing ALPA now, looking for that conspiracy and his damages money. Hope he finds it. Then you got the deep pocket, ALPA. And since we weren't the CBA and not talking with ALPA at all, you can DFR them. You filed the DFR within 6-month limit. Now you just have to prove ALPA belongs in it. We still got the Breeger ripeness disconnect. The appeal may lose, but it wont be quick.
So after 14 month of the usapa experiment. After giving up over $60,000.00. Costing this pilots group well over $2 million in legal cost. This is where we are.
DOH=DOA
USAPA= Nicolau
USAPA= Joint contract only. NO section 6.
So how is that working for you? Looks to me like we are worse off now than we were two years ago.
Huh? Dollar amount assumes we would have passed something 2 years ago. Your #1 negotiator kept re-opening closed sections, costing months delay. You really know how to pick ‘em. We might have voted on a single contract before the NIC, except for his stalling (and according to your conspiracy theory, ALPA Nat’ls stalling). The $2M? That’s $1M/side. We’ve paid our attorneys. Have you? DOH=DOA? Appeal will decide. USAPA=Joint contract only. NO section 6. That’s what we’ve been negotiating for since last fall, even though your sides been sniping that we failed to negotiate a separate contract for you. Overall, it seems to be working for us Ok. The Appeal, LOA84 will answer. We’ll get back to you on that next summer. Since Nic we retired 7%, you 2%. No question your worse off than 2 years ago.
