US Pilot Labor Thread 10/27-11/2

[des nudo]

What has USAPA done for you lately?

I left the property a few years ago after 20+ years of service, mostly due to continual giveaways by our ALPA unit in concert with ALPA National. I now work in the 'down under" hemisphere, but I must say from what I hear, I would've stayed at USAir if USAPA had happened sooner. The notion that every merger is different is exactly why the lawyers win, the pilots lose. The usual polarization happens; WE were bigger, WE had expectations, WE...WE...WE..(from both sides)

DOH resolves all of that, and mergers can be finalized in weeks, not years.

Just ask your flight attendants.

 

[Phoenix]

Can you please be specific?

I am dying to see you list all (or even one) of these accomplishments.

Well Ok.. just one.

They allowed elected reps in PHL and CLT.

 

[Tiger 1050]

I left the property a few years ago after 20+ years of service,

Hey everybody! He comes clean! Well that explains that I guess...

What happened to the unlearned innocent bystander? You guys are so transparent...

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Hey everybody! He comes clean! Well that explains that I guess...

What happened to the unlearned innocent bystander? You guys are so transparent...

I'll bet he was standing somewhere near the grassy knoll, too.

 

[Phoenix]

The rule of law means nothing to you then ....?

Yes union rules were followed. ALPA has a merger policy. It includes negotiation, mediation than arbitration if needed. All the parties agreed to whatever the arbitrator decided.

The east cried to ALPA national to change the award after the fact...

Reps from the East expected the arbitrator to use the certified list (which he didn't) and they expected ALPA to ensure that the arbitrated list complied with the terms of their own policy (which it didn't). I know... I know... a minority of people don't acknowledge that and choose instead to burry their head in the sand.. in true ALAP fashion.

Just maybe the horse is dead already.

 

[Phoenix]

Just that no one has yet come up with a logical argument to change my long-held belief when it comes to this subject.

Jim

You're retired. You're entitled to your belief and we all hope you get to hold it a very, very long time!

 

[des nudo]

Hey everybody! He comes clean! Well that explains that I guess...

What happened to the unlearned innocent bystander? You guys are so transparent...

I never claimed to be an "innocent bystander" did I? perhaps you can quote me on that? I said I was new to this forum, and NOT new to flying...thats what I said.

I also said I was familiar with union principles....something I see is lacking miserably at ALPA as a whole, and with many of you AWA pilots who "hit the lottery" with Mr. Nicolau and his opinion.
The unfortunate truth of this tale is that ALPA did nothing about it but sit on it as long as they could, right up until they were shown off the property, and rightfully so. The fact that so many AWA pilots still feel they are "entitled" to the "lottery ticket" IN SPITE of it's obvious failure to abide by the no-windfall objective speaks volumes about this "integrity" you claim to have.

Makes me wish I'd stayed around.

 

[des nudo]

Well Ok.. just one.

They allowed elected reps in PHL and CLT.

My turn: PILOT RATIFICATION

( I'm told USAPA requires it, imagine that! )

 

[Phoenix]

My turn: PILOT RATIFICATION

( I'm told USAPA requires it, imagine that! )

Yeah... everyone is very familiar with DOH being removed from ALPA policy, but the removal of Pilot Ratification was done more surreptitiously, and with greater detriment to ALPA's continued viability on the property.

 

[des nudo]

Yeah... everyone is very familiar with DOH being removed from ALPA policy, but the removal of Pilot Ratification was done more surreptitiously, and with greater detriment to ALPA's continued viability on the property.

In my mind, that was the beginning of the end for ALPA as a viable union on any property.

Congrats to USAPA for doing this right.

 

[LSS]

The most magnificent thing that USAPA accomplished is throwing ALPA off the property and through the tireless work of many volunteers form an in house union, give every member the same or better insurance products, and form the many committees working for the benefit of US Airways pilots. Because of the seniority integration issue, most West pilots completely ignore the great things USAPA is doing, including filing a grievance over the improper furlough of West pilots.

 

[des nudo]

Can anyone report the results of the courthouse today?

 

[cleardirect]

As for my list. I'm not on here to do your homework for you. If you want some kind of list, do it for yourself. The fact that USAPA is introducing fairness into ALPA's stupid merger system is enough for me. The fact that I'm not getting constant assessments for everything under the sun is another. Start with those two, and keep going if you really want some kind of "list".

Oldie,

You continue to crack me up. Really, please stop you can not be this ignorant. Really. As a good union pilot you are required to do some work for your new electronic union.

You say that one of USAPA’s grand accomplishments is that you will not be constantly assessed.


Currently out for vote!!!!



A) Ratification of changes to the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws (requires a 2/3 majority)

B) Approval of an assessment to assist our furloughed pilots with their medical insurance payments while on furlough (requires a simple majority, i.e. 50%+1)

C) Granting the BPR authority to approve a $100 assessment of the membership for merger preparations ONLY in the event of a formal merger announcement by US Airways (requires a simple majority, i.e. 50%+1)


Two of the three ballot items are for assessments. Are you kidding me?

 

[des nudo]

WOW des nudo,

You go from lurker to 17 posts in one day. You go from asking questions to insults in about 3 posts. Go from lurker to blaming the west for destroying unionism around the world in the span of a couple hours.

"Enough said."

Sounds a lot like another poster.

Eastus is that you? Just can’t help yourself can you?

I'll say this to you since you are so curious. I had a 1987 hire date when i was there....so that makes me what? the CP at AWA? and yet just 2 years ahead of east furloughs that you think don't count, right?

So i say this: with your mind, Mr. Parker can furlough 500 AWA pilots tomorrow because of the accountants who report yeilds to him daily...and then these 500 AWA go to the very bottom below the new hires at USAir...is this what you suggest is fair in a union shop? Since no common list exists yet, those 500 go to bottom?...

what is your hire date?...could you even drive a car in 1987?

You're most silly little pilot.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Oldie,

You continue to crack me up. Really, please stop you can not be this ignorant. Really. As a good union pilot you are required to do some work for your new electronic union.

You say that one of USAPA’s grand accomplishments is that you will not be constantly assessed.


Currently out for vote!!!!



A) Ratification of changes to the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws (requires a 2/3 majority)

B) Approval of an assessment to assist our furloughed pilots with their medical insurance payments while on furlough (requires a simple majority, i.e. 50%+1)

C) Granting the BPR authority to approve a $100 assessment of the membership for merger preparations ONLY in the event of a formal merger announcement by US Airways (requires a simple majority, i.e. 50%+1)


Two of the three ballot items are for assessments. Are you kidding me?

Man, you just don't get it.

I'd gladly pay to help my FELLOW UNION MEMBERS in need. That's not an assessment, it's being a good person (apparently YOU are NOT).

I'll bet that I've paid well over $5000 in assessments to ALPA for mergers. Don't forget assessments for other airlines, which there were many, and various legal fees. All while ALPA paid secretaries more than Captains and Presidents MORE than 4 times what our Captains made at the time. GRANTING AUTHORITY for USAPA to assess $100 is NOTHING.

Yes, I did vote FOR both.

A vote. What a novel concept!

By the way, where's YOUR list of what ALPA has done for YOU?

Maturity IS NOT one of the West sides' strong suits. Grow up.