US Airways Pilots Labor Thread 9/19- 9/27..

[Freighterguynow]

More and more pilots are coming to grips with that reality and will ratify a contract at some point, and it will include the Nic absent a legal miracle forthcoming.

Period.

Yea, you and A320 are coming to grips with each other.

Blah blah blah - talk to the hand.

 

[N924PS]

Yea, you and A320 are coming to grips with each other.

Blah blah blah - talk to the hand.

So let me get this straight.

If the Nicolau Award is in fact the law, you will continue to vote NO on ANY contract for the rest of your career until retirement?

Wow. That's showing those Westies......

As I said, a lot of pilots who voted for USAPA are going to be ready for a new contract, including the NIC, once the appeals process runs it's course. (If USAirways is still a going concern, that is.)

 

[hp_fa]

Pretext.

The Statement of Facts and Conclusions of Law.

Neither was mentioned at all in the Appellant's Brief. You can count on hearing of them in the Appellees' Answering Brief.

Seham used 13,999 of the 14,000 allowable words in his Brief. He also, as expected, used the splattered mud method of argument. ("Throw enough up and hope something sticks.") He really, IMO, played fast and loose with facts and that will cost him credibility with the panel. He also was rushed at the end of his Brief due to the general wordiness of the Brief. (He could have dropped "gold standard" x6.)

The truth is there are a couple of arguments that I would have liked to have seen discussed without the mud or factual discrepancies surrounding them. The one thing he did finally drop is the claim that the plaintiffs did not file the Complaint in a timely manner. He now only claims the case was not ripe, but expect the Court to be apprised, in some way, that the Appellant had argued the case was both non-ripe and over-ripe at the same time.

I'll look this over again in the next few days, but it is about what I expected.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Wow!! From USAPA:

"Fourth, the trial was unfair in several respects, in particular because the jury instructions so badly misstated law that it compelled an unfair verdict and because Judge Wake was biased;"

Like a fart in church.

Wow that reads like a conspiracy theorist talking about JFK, 9/11 and chemtrails.

USAPA's lawyers could win an Emmy for their comedic writing talents.

 

[2BorNot2B]

I'm guessing all the happy USAirways pilots are all out living their lives, instead of wasting a good portion of it on message boards. For all the advantages and convenience the internet offers, it sure does have it's downside. It brings out the worst in people and is a colossal waste of time in far to many instances.

I must say you are 100% correct! All too often I find myself shocked that educated Professionals would put into print some of the things that are expressed here. I cannot imagine what it must be like in Ops .... I am so pleased that I retired before all this. All the mergers I went through, never, never anything like this! I really feel badly for all of you .... what a pathetic way to waste one of the world's best careers. And all because of one foolish old man ....

2b

 

[luvn737s]

All the mergers I went through, never, never anything like this! I really feel badly for all of you .... what a pathetic way to waste one of the world's best careerers. And all because of one foolish old man ....

2b

Bradford's not that old.

And this job in no way resembles the career you left behind.

 

[Phoenix]

..you won't get a raise without ratifying a contract with Nicolau in it...

Are nominations still being accepted for the oxymoron of the week? Does it count if the person proposing the oxymoron didn't know that it was one? :huh:

 

[hp_fa]

Bradford's not that old.

Funny you mention Bradford. Seham didn't. He did say this...

Dismayed with the inability to secure a combined contract, and dissatisfied with past ALPA representation, certain East pilots formed an independent union, USAPA, to challenge ALPA as the pilots’ collective bargaining agent. USAPA campaigned on a platform of overcoming the negotiating impasse by constructing a new seniority integration proposal that would effectively preserve for East and West pilots the job opportunities generated by their respective operations. ((6ER1236:18-23) (4ER771-772)). In furtherance of this platform, USAPA adopted a constitution which established an “objective†of seniority integration based on date-of-hire principles modified by “conditions and restrictions†that would protect junior West pilots from displacement by preserving “each pilot’s unmerged career expectations.†(5ER930 § 8.D). The goal, as stated by USAPA founder Captain Scott Theuer, was preserving jobs so that “one year after the complete integration of this merger, no pilot, East or West, would be able to tell, based on his or her working conditions and status, that a merger had taken place.†((6ER1238:5-8) (6ER1245:8-12) (4ER772)).

Appelant's Brief, Pg. 13

I guess Bradford never existed or ever hired Seham.....

 

[2BorNot2B]

And this job in no way resembles the career you left behind.

I imagine that must be the case. Since retirees are "locked out", unlike years ago when one could roam Ops and ride Jumpseat, this board is the only insight into your lives that I have. Based on that ... it sure doesn't look very good at all!

I wish everone the very best, and hope this will turmoil will be resolved in some way.

Thanks for the reply!

2B

 

[HPDriver]

Man, reading the brief and USAPA's updates shows they don't know if they're coming or going.

Their update states proudly they sought and were granted and expedited schedule.

They then requested and extension to the amended complaint, were ignored, objected to being ignored, and managed to get everything done in time anyway.

I guess they forget to withdraw the motion to extend because Wake slapped them upside their heads anyway.

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[hp_fa]

Seham as general counsel, trial counsel and appellate counsel...

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Seham as general counsel, trial counsel and appellate counsel...

Jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[traderjake]

we are quite pleased with the progress our team is making.

You mean spending hundreds of thousands of dollars the get the courts to enforce Nic the award.

Your team are real men of genius.

 

[cleardirect]

we are quite pleased with the progress our team is making.

If you call that progress and are satisfied. I guess that explains LOA93, lose of pension, all of the furloughs, USAPA, the leaders for the past decade, and the general dark cloud that follows most east pilots.

 

[N1bugmeupflaps1]

If you call that progress and are satisfied. I guess that explains LOA93, lose of pension, all of the furloughs, USAPA, the leaders for the past decade, and the general dark cloud that follows most east pilots.

Some of us at UAUA have been watching and taking notes about this train-wreck. While there are some varying opinions, I can report that there is a large sentiment over here about this notion of "we win, you gambled and lost" argument being put forward by many AWA pilots. That is no way to conduct a fair merger, and certainly not a "policy", it's a "crap-shoot" that you seem to be comfortable with since you out in PHX generally absorb ALL of US's built-in attrition which THEY brought to the table, not you. Therefore, it is widely thought out here that you are not entitled to it. I will not engage in banter over "final and binding" as you tend to do out in PHX, but will say that UAUA will not allow this type of mentality to occur should some announcement come out later about us. If it's not fair with NO obvious winfalls, it's not going to happen. Many predict UAUA will declare again, who knows, but that would never mean a 2004 DOH AWA pilot jumps up our list, you can believe that.

We'll be watching.