LY,
You are so on point. With regard to f/as wanting to go into a base, no one can go into a base unless there is an opening in that base. Vacancies are created by either growth of the airline, increase of time in the base, or attrition. That's it.
With regard to seniority, I am just simply amazed at how uneducated the HP f/as are on this issue. I think that their leadership has an obligation to a) understand the issue fully by discussing U-East list, how many f/as are above the 23 year mark, how many f/as are based on the west coast, how many fa/s from U-East bases actually live in Arizona. Then the AWA MEC needs to go out an educate their members.
To the HP f/as:
Off the top of my head, here is what I KNOW...we have approx. 8,600 f/as (including the invols) on our seniority list.
Out of that list only 222 actually live on the west coast. 22 f/as actually live in Arizona. Out of this list 193 are based in PHL and out of the 22 who live in arizona, 17 are based in PHL.
We have approx. 4,300 fa/s that are active. Currently we have 733 f/as on VFLR whose seniority on this furlough remains and appears to be where they left reflecting on our list, HOWEVER, when recalled some far off year in the future, and if all 733 return, they will return at the new hire senioroity (year 1). There are more VFLRs going to be offered in 2006 with this exact same contract furlough provision. We know for sure that the company owes AFA at least a min. of 323 more VFLR offers for 2006. For 2005, we have approx 400 scheduled to go out on ERI (retirment by the end of Dec). And between now to 2007, many more f/as will either retire or go off a VFLR and resignations. Bottom line, OUR LIST is decresing from top to bottom.
Part of our 8,600 f/as include 1,692 Involuntary furloughees and were furloughed in 2001. Their seniority ranges from 6 months to 5 years. They are treated the exact same way contractually that AWA treats their involuntary furloughees. The difference here is that AWA recalled all their furloughed f/as. WEll that's great. But to argue that the 600 f/as that were hired off the street from 2002 to 2005 at AWA should some how receive preferential treatment and now the entire AFA policy has to changed is the most ludicrous argument I've heard coming out of that DVD.
Tell me this? The only way any f/a can get to a base is by growth, and obviously from what i've cited above, our seniority would NOT impair or disenfranchise the majority of the f/as in PHX. Those f/as living on the west coast is about .01% of our entire roster. And those 222 plus 22 in Arizona in 2 years will decrease even more because most of them are our most senior f/as on our roster.
So the argument here remains with the other end of our list which are the INVOLS. And AWA, according to the DVD has to do with their 600 f/as on thier list and that they would be at the bottom??? I can tell you that many more than 600 at the bottom of our list in every single one of our mergers was pushed further down that list...and U never ever approached AFA Delegates with an agenda to change the constitution. When U purchased Piedmont in 1988, We fixed the Empire's seniority who were stapled to the botom from Piedmont. We followed our Allegheny/Mohawk merger agreement and AFA Policy and restored their seniority to DOH. Does anyone here think for one second that the original US Air f/as were not effect by this???? US Air was on a hiring spreee every single month from Feb. 1981 through 1992.
Frankly, I am shocked, simply stunned that the HPf/as have not been fully educated on this issue. I can see that they have not because no figures were presented in that DVD EXCEPT the 600 hirees from 2002 to 2005 from AWA.
YOUR MANAGEMENT WANTS YOUR FOCUS ON THE AFA DOH ISSUE INSTEAD OF FOCUSING YOUR ATTENTION AND MIGHT ON FINISHING YOUR SECTION 6. U-East will help you with this issue and that is where the energy should lay.
The U-East CANNOT displace, shove, flush, bump f/as out of PHX, so that just can't be one of the arguments at all!
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