The "dvd" From Awa-former

[Light Years]

We are not asking to slot a 4 year AWA F/A behind a 25 year flight attendant. What we are asking is a fair relative seniority in our base.
I wish I could believe you, but I have already spoken to several US F/A who are based in the Philly and La Guardia who wants to transfer to Phoenix. There was also a US Air Pilot who non-rev on our flight that told our F/As that some LGA based F/A are determined to push us out of PHX and into LGA. Most of the US F/A I have encountered are very nice and professional, however there are a few who are aggressive.

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Wow, that's the most I've heard about LGA based F/As in forever. There are only about 100 people based there.

And of course there are people who want to go to PHX, just as there are HP people who have a hankering for the six east coast bases and the type of flying that comes with them.

And yes, some of them are agressive. Some are friendly. Some have pet dogs, some have halitosis, some talk funny, some have frizzy hair... we are talking about THOUSANDS of people here. All of them are different, they are not all aggressive people salivating over the flying a 737 around the desert.

Also, since 1997, there is no longer any airline called US Air. It's as annoying as "American" West.

Chill out. Seriously. No one can bump anyone from a base. One leaves, one comes in. That's not going to change, nor is the AFA merger policy you all happily worked under for years and was used for every previous US Airways merger. At some point in your career, you'll probably want to try another base anyway, whether for fun or because your seniority works better there. Everyone's horizons have been broadened.

 

[Travelpro72]

LOL....should we start a pole on "Do you think AFA will make an exception to DOH for US-east f/a's"? Talk about bad acting and reading from que cards.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

View attachment 3490 :blink: Just keep repeating it at the AFA BOD meeting on October 18th. And then Glenda will float in on her bubble and make it all better.

 

[goodgirl37]

LOL....should we start a pole on "Do you think AFA will make an exception to DOH for US-east f/a's"? Talk about bad acting and reading from que cards.

[post="310985"][/post]​

IF AFA is smart they will do what the by-laws say DOH.. Or there will be no AFA - We will decertify and go to Teamsters simple as that .. and we will take AWA with us kicking and screaming all the way...

 

[Light Years]

It looks like one of those pleas for help from South Africa -

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"I'm Sally Struthers. This is little Renee. Renee has been a flight attendant for ten years, but she feels like it's been forty. She lives the sparse life of a ten year flight attendant at a large airline here in the blazing sun. She and many others suffer from date of hire.

For only a couple of decades of your seniority, Renee can enjoy things like better blocks, weekends and holidays off and all of the other benefits that come with seniority. Each month we'll send you a picture of Renee and a copy of the schedule she didn't earn, but you selflessly gave her.

Please, won't you sponser this seniority starved flight attendant. Call now."

 

[Travelpro72]

Now that is absolutely the funniest I have seen all day.

 

[cltflyguy]

That is to funny light!!

 

[goodgirl37]

Now that is absolutely the funniest I have seen all day.

[post="310993"][/post]​

Perfect illustration of the video, I hurt myself when I fell on the floor laughing!!! I needed that all day!! This is so true - I love it - Fabulous post LY!!

 

[USAirBoyA330]

LY-

I spit out my soda....that was too funny!

 

[tahitigirl]

IF AFA is smart they will do what the by-laws say DOH.. Or there will be no AFA - We will decertify and go to Teamsters simple as that .. and we will take AWA with us kicking and screaming all the way...

[post="310988"][/post]​

I've heard the same on the line. If DOH is changed AFA is out.

 

[goodgirl37]

I've heard the same on the line. If DOH is changed AFA is out.

[post="311001"][/post]​

No doubt girl scout - We won't put up with supporting the AFA for years on end and then they stick it to us - NO WAY!!!

 

[MAABoss]

OH YES YOU ARE...FUN , GREAT WEATHER YEAR ROUND NO WEATHER DELAYS WORK 4 TURN DAYS PER MONTH SO DONT TELL US TO RELAX OH AND DID I FORGET TO MENTION EASY COMMTE FROM WEST COAST !!!!!

[post="310940"][/post]​

Wrong!!! Try more like....Senior folks, means families established, means children and grandchildren, homes, etc......

East Coast gals/guys aren't just chasing 116 degree dry ass heat. They want their seniority and they want in ON THE EAST COAST!

The sun shines on the east coast too, sweetie.

 

[MAABoss]

I wish I could believe you, but I have already spoken to several US F/A who are based in the Philly and La Guardia who wants to transfer to Phoenix. There was also a US Air Pilot who non-rev on our flight that told our F/As that some LGA based F/A are determined to push us out of PHX and into LGA. Most of the US F/A I have encountered are very nice and professional, however there are a few who are aggressive.


You have spoken to "several" FA's who want ot come to PHX...or 7,000+??
I think we all would expect "several" to go over, but that's not near the majority.

 

[goodgirl37]

Wrong!!! Try more like....Senior folks, means families established, means children and grandchildren, homes, etc......

East Coast gals/guys aren't just chasing 116 degree dry ass heat. They want their seniority and they want in ON THE EAST COAST!

The sun shines on the east coast too, sweetie.

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MAABoss It is so funny they think we are going to flock like a herd of beautiful swans - Don;t they know we have established households with families children and homes and that will not be uprooted by a salary that a flight attendant lives on - They act like the job in PHX is more money more grand etc., when in fact it is exactly the opposite!! We have the widebodies and the best routes - c'mon shak a kan give us something to at least argue about b/c its not going to be over your trip to somewhere we already have been a thousand times!!

 

[PITbull]

Wow, that's the most I've heard about LGA based F/As in forever. There are only about 100 people based there.

And of course there are people who want to go to PHX, just as there are HP people who have a hankering for the six east coast bases and the type of flying that comes with them.

And yes, some of them are agressive. Some are friendly. Some have pet dogs, some have halitosis, some talk funny, some have frizzy hair... we are talking about THOUSANDS of people here. All of them are different, they are not all aggressive people salivating over the flying a 737 around the desert.

Also, since 1997, there is no longer any airline called US Air. It's as annoying as "American" West.

Chill out. Seriously. No one can bump anyone from a base. One leaves, one comes in. That's not going to change, nor is the AFA merger policy you all happily worked under for years and was used for every previous US Airways merger. At some point in your career, you'll probably want to try another base anyway, whether for fun or because your seniority works better there. Everyone's horizons have been broadened.

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LY,

You are so on point. With regard to f/as wanting to go into a base, no one can go into a base unless there is an opening in that base. Vacancies are created by either growth of the airline, increase of time in the base, or attrition. That's it.


With regard to seniority, I am just simply amazed at how uneducated the HP f/as are on this issue. I think that their leadership has an obligation to a) understand the issue fully by discussing U-East list, how many f/as are above the 23 year mark, how many f/as are based on the west coast, how many fa/s from U-East bases actually live in Arizona. Then the AWA MEC needs to go out an educate their members.

To the HP f/as:


Off the top of my head, here is what I KNOW...we have approx. 8,600 f/as (including the invols) on our seniority list.

Out of that list only 222 actually live on the west coast. 22 f/as actually live in Arizona. Out of this list 193 are based in PHL and out of the 22 who live in arizona, 17 are based in PHL.

We have approx. 4,300 fa/s that are active. Currently we have 733 f/as on VFLR whose seniority on this furlough remains and appears to be where they left reflecting on our list, HOWEVER, when recalled some far off year in the future, and if all 733 return, they will return at the new hire senioroity (year 1). There are more VFLRs going to be offered in 2006 with this exact same contract furlough provision. We know for sure that the company owes AFA at least a min. of 323 more VFLR offers for 2006. For 2005, we have approx 400 scheduled to go out on ERI (retirment by the end of Dec). And between now to 2007, many more f/as will either retire or go off a VFLR and resignations. Bottom line, OUR LIST is decresing from top to bottom.

Part of our 8,600 f/as include 1,692 Involuntary furloughees and were furloughed in 2001. Their seniority ranges from 6 months to 5 years. They are treated the exact same way contractually that AWA treats their involuntary furloughees. The difference here is that AWA recalled all their furloughed f/as. WEll that's great. But to argue that the 600 f/as that were hired off the street from 2002 to 2005 at AWA should some how receive preferential treatment and now the entire AFA policy has to changed is the most ludicrous argument I've heard coming out of that DVD.

Tell me this? The only way any f/a can get to a base is by growth, and obviously from what i've cited above, our seniority would NOT impair or disenfranchise the majority of the f/as in PHX. Those f/as living on the west coast is about .025% of our entire roster. And those 222 plus 22 in Arizona in 2 years will decrease even more because most of them are our most senior f/as on our roster.

So the argument here remains with the other end of our list which are the INVOLS. And AWA, according to the DVD has to do with their 600 f/as on thier list and that they would be at the bottom??? I can tell you that there were many more than 600 at the bottom of our list in every single one of our mergers was pushed further down that list...and U never ever approached AFA Delegates with an agenda to change the DOH AFA Policy. When U purchased Piedmont in 1988, We fixed the Empire's seniority who were stapled to the botom from Piedmont. We followed our Allegheny/Mohawk merger agreement and AFA Policy and restored their seniority to DOH. Does anyone here think for one second that the original US Air f/as were not effect by this???? US Air was on a hiring spreee every single month from Feb. 1981 through 1992.

Frankly, I am shocked, simply stunned that the HPf/as have not been fully educated on this issue. I can see that they have not because no figures were presented in that DVD EXCEPT the 600 hirees from 2002 to 2005 from AWA.


YOUR MANAGEMENT WANTS YOUR FOCUS ON THE AFA DOH ISSUE INSTEAD OF FOCUSING YOUR ATTENTION AND MIGHT ON FINISHING YOUR SECTION 6. U-East will help you with this issue and that is where the energy should lay.

The U-East CANNOT displace, shove, flush, bump f/as out of PHX, so that just can't be one of the arguments at all!