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AWA MEC Chairman's Message
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WTF are you smoking? Check your facts! DumbASS!
TheLarkAscending
Veteran
Thanks for the factual rebuttals. Wouldn't you think that :wacko: would have the common sense to realize that no one is going to forget the facts, nor are they going to buy revisionistic historical recall as truth?
You have piqued our interest on the DC thing, I must admit.
AWA320
Veteran
Look at the financial satements on the windfall thread!!
As for the statement, it was pretty funny, you'd find it funny too after a few rum and coke
It's the weekend and nothing serious is discussed until midnight sunday or is it monday by then??Go ahead order a drink it's on me
USA320Pilot
Veteran
- May 18, 2003
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Arsenian,
Sure go ahead because it appears you're just an angry uninformed individual who cannot get past losing the pension.
It was clear to ALPA and every advisor that without the DB pension termination the airline would not be operating today, just like at UAL, DAL, and NWA.
Do I like it. No, of course not, but it's a fact of life. If you do not like it you're always free to "move on" to another job.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Sure go ahead because it appears you're just an angry uninformed individual who cannot get past losing the pension.
It was clear to ALPA and every advisor that without the DB pension termination the airline would not be operating today, just like at UAL, DAL, and NWA.
Do I like it. No, of course not, but it's a fact of life. If you do not like it you're always free to "move on" to another job.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
"Every advisor". Um, just one, Michael Glanzer. and he was on a paid by a per deal contract, courtesy your morons on the MEC. It was in his best interest to "get any deal" so he could get paid. I would go with something early also.
Most companies got a free ride for five or more years with the DB retirement plans, never having to pay anything into the plan.
The Shuttle dudes had no access to the DB retirement plan, unless they could get the MEC to "terminate the plan". If the Shuttle dudes could get the MEC to terminate the DB plan, then they could get access at least $2000 per month, something they would not get otherwise.
Shameful since their "slotting" was, in part, based on their inability to access the DB plan.
OBTW, two former officers (one a CFO), if asked the right questions, will admit USAir was never in financial "extremis" and really did not need the "DB plan". They threw it on the table and were quite surprised when the ALPA reps. actually took it seriously.
Don't blame management. I blame ALPA. Had we the DB plan, age 60 would have stayed that way.
Ardenian
Advanced
If it's a fact of life, why is your wife's name on the lawsuit against ALPA? Were you to scared to use your own name?
Another lie?
Ardenian
Advanced
Hey 320, it looks like you're not the only one interested in re-writing history!
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
To: XXXXXXXXXXX
Cc: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:48 PM
Dear Bob,
I read the letter you wrote to Captain Prater with great interest. I was quite excited to think that you had finally "gotten it!" For as long as I have known you, I was always disappointed at your "Just give the Company [X] and they will start to grow" comments. You always had an excuse for why ALPA should capitulate on whatever the Company was asking for at any given time. You repeatedly quoted your esteemed "ALPA National advisors," as if they were the only ones with any wisdom.
You always had excuses for why those you were politically aligned with (Beebe, Gauthier, Tosi, Scola, et al.) appeared to not have the pilot's best interests in mind. You promoted the 23% pay cut TA from 1995 when the FA's saved the pilots from another ALPA National cram-down by voting NO since the Company was showing profits.
Simply put, you never appeared to have any will to stand up to either a bullying management or a risk-averse union. As a matter of fact, your long history of work in Herndon and 1625 showed you to be deeply ingrained in the ALPA-lifer lifestyle.
Back to your letter. I read it (why was it sent out by the AWA MEC?), and I start to think that you have finally seen the light and realized that ALPA National never has any interest other than that of ALPA National.
You actually wrote that you now understand that bankruptcy was not only a tool, but it was planned! Take that, Mr. Glanzer! After all these years, Bob finally understands the PIT and PHL reps were right!
But then I read on. I was flabbergasted when you attempted to shift the blame for the pension give away from your friends on the AAA MEC led by Bill Pollock to the RC4! (by the way, it's lose, not loose).
It then became quite obvious to me what was afoot.
Since you "have served in so many ALPA positions I couldn't begin to list them all," surely you know who gave away the pension. It was your faction of ALPA lifers! Pollock, Tosi, Scola, Belz, Baker, et al.!
There can only be two reasons you would write this:
1) Despite being deeply involved with the AAA MEC and ALPA National for so long, you just weren't bright enough to pay attention to who gave away your pension (Low probability).
2) You and your faction are re-writing history to attempt to deflect blame for the pension giveaway in order to position yourself for leadership positions in what is likely to be a new Collective Bargaining Agent at AAA (High probability). Why else would you, Gauthier, and other ALPA has-beens suddenly be popping up like Prairie Dogs?
Now, let's review…
Who gave away the DB Plan?
Your friends on the AAA MEC led by Bill Pollock. Not the RC4; they were another year in coming. The RC4 actually questioned the ALPA National advisors. The RC4 actually saw through the smoke and mirrors. The RC4 realized ALPA was not our friend. And to think, I believed for a moment you were really ready to join their side.
I will advise every pilot I see to be wary of washed-up ALPA political hacks positioning themselves for leadership positions in our new union by endeavoring to remake themselves in the model of the RC4. Remember, the RC4 saw through ALPA National's crap long before you even thought it would be a good ploy.
See you around the crew room,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
--------------------
President
Air Line Pilots Association
1600 Massachusetts Ave
Washington, DC 20001
May 29, 2007
Dear Captain Prater:
I am Bob Gaudioso and I have been an ALPA member for 27 years. My seniority number with US Airways is 384. I have served in so many ALPA positions I couldn't begin to list them all here. I few of the more notable have been, MEC Chairman, MEC Vice Chairman, Capt reps in Charlotte and Baltimore, and numerous committees. I am currently on the ALPA National Leadership Conference Committee. I have spent most of my career representing pilots.
I attended your first pilots' meeting and I stood up and stated that each of the ALPA Presidents had their crisis to manage. I told you I felt your crisis would be the dismantling of ALPA and that unless you were willing to make some dramatic changes you would be the President that saw the big carriers leave the association. I believe that threat exists now more than ever.
As you can see my seniority is not directly affected by the award however, I must admit I was stunned, shocked and saddened by what arbitrator George Nicolau came up with.
For too long the employees of our nation's airlines have been blamed for the financial troubles of their carriers. For years we've herd from our managements, if you would just work for less, if you would just work more hours, if we could just take away some of your medical benefits, if you would just give up on that pesky retirement plan, then we could make money. They blamed us and the public and the financial community bought it.
This award is an example of the public and George Nicolau buying on to the principal that it's the employees fault for the financial troubles of their carrier. How could ALPA merger policy punish pilots for the bad decisions their management made. I'll take it even farther I don't believe the management mismanaged us into bankruptcy, I believe they did it on purpose as a tool. After all look at the results. US Airways, United, Northwest and Delta have all lost their pensions through use of the bankruptcy courts. In addition to the tremendous pay, work rules and benefits lost. ;
Capt. Prater as an Association we can not allow our pilots to be further abused by an arbitrator that just doesn't get it and who has bought on to the premises that we were at fault and our jobs and the sacrifices we have made don't count for anything.
I use to hear your predecessor Capt Woerth pound his fist on the table and preach that we were a union. UNION UNION UNION
We will never be a union until we have a national seniority list and until ALPA is willing to have the fortitude to step in and do what's right. ALPA National has hidden behind the non interference policy for too long.
Imagine what would have happened if ALPA National had intervened in the US Airways discussions when our pension was at stake. Because of the ill advised stance of 4 roll call majority pilots not only did US Airways pilots loose their pension but so did UAL, NWA, and DAL.
Captain Prater if you allow a pilot's years of service to be totally discounted as was the case in this award how can we possibly feel comfortable being a member of this association. Frankly, how could any of the legacy carriers feel comfortable if this arbitration stands?
I have been impressed with your leadership so far however, this will truly be a defining moment for ALPA and I'm sure we will look back on it as such.
Sincerely,
Capt. Robert P. Gaudioso
Former Chairman, US Airways MEC
Seniority # 384
As the saying goes, birds of a feather...tell Bob we said hi!
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
To: XXXXXXXXXXX
Cc: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:48 PM
Dear Bob,
I read the letter you wrote to Captain Prater with great interest. I was quite excited to think that you had finally "gotten it!" For as long as I have known you, I was always disappointed at your "Just give the Company [X] and they will start to grow" comments. You always had an excuse for why ALPA should capitulate on whatever the Company was asking for at any given time. You repeatedly quoted your esteemed "ALPA National advisors," as if they were the only ones with any wisdom.
You always had excuses for why those you were politically aligned with (Beebe, Gauthier, Tosi, Scola, et al.) appeared to not have the pilot's best interests in mind. You promoted the 23% pay cut TA from 1995 when the FA's saved the pilots from another ALPA National cram-down by voting NO since the Company was showing profits.
Simply put, you never appeared to have any will to stand up to either a bullying management or a risk-averse union. As a matter of fact, your long history of work in Herndon and 1625 showed you to be deeply ingrained in the ALPA-lifer lifestyle.
Back to your letter. I read it (why was it sent out by the AWA MEC?), and I start to think that you have finally seen the light and realized that ALPA National never has any interest other than that of ALPA National.
You actually wrote that you now understand that bankruptcy was not only a tool, but it was planned! Take that, Mr. Glanzer! After all these years, Bob finally understands the PIT and PHL reps were right!
But then I read on. I was flabbergasted when you attempted to shift the blame for the pension give away from your friends on the AAA MEC led by Bill Pollock to the RC4! (by the way, it's lose, not loose).
It then became quite obvious to me what was afoot.
Since you "have served in so many ALPA positions I couldn't begin to list them all," surely you know who gave away the pension. It was your faction of ALPA lifers! Pollock, Tosi, Scola, Belz, Baker, et al.!
There can only be two reasons you would write this:
1) Despite being deeply involved with the AAA MEC and ALPA National for so long, you just weren't bright enough to pay attention to who gave away your pension (Low probability).
2) You and your faction are re-writing history to attempt to deflect blame for the pension giveaway in order to position yourself for leadership positions in what is likely to be a new Collective Bargaining Agent at AAA (High probability). Why else would you, Gauthier, and other ALPA has-beens suddenly be popping up like Prairie Dogs?
Now, let's review…
Who gave away the DB Plan?
Your friends on the AAA MEC led by Bill Pollock. Not the RC4; they were another year in coming. The RC4 actually questioned the ALPA National advisors. The RC4 actually saw through the smoke and mirrors. The RC4 realized ALPA was not our friend. And to think, I believed for a moment you were really ready to join their side.
I will advise every pilot I see to be wary of washed-up ALPA political hacks positioning themselves for leadership positions in our new union by endeavoring to remake themselves in the model of the RC4. Remember, the RC4 saw through ALPA National's crap long before you even thought it would be a good ploy.
See you around the crew room,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
--------------------
President
Air Line Pilots Association
1600 Massachusetts Ave
Washington, DC 20001
May 29, 2007
Dear Captain Prater:
I am Bob Gaudioso and I have been an ALPA member for 27 years. My seniority number with US Airways is 384. I have served in so many ALPA positions I couldn't begin to list them all here. I few of the more notable have been, MEC Chairman, MEC Vice Chairman, Capt reps in Charlotte and Baltimore, and numerous committees. I am currently on the ALPA National Leadership Conference Committee. I have spent most of my career representing pilots.
I attended your first pilots' meeting and I stood up and stated that each of the ALPA Presidents had their crisis to manage. I told you I felt your crisis would be the dismantling of ALPA and that unless you were willing to make some dramatic changes you would be the President that saw the big carriers leave the association. I believe that threat exists now more than ever.
As you can see my seniority is not directly affected by the award however, I must admit I was stunned, shocked and saddened by what arbitrator George Nicolau came up with.
For too long the employees of our nation's airlines have been blamed for the financial troubles of their carriers. For years we've herd from our managements, if you would just work for less, if you would just work more hours, if we could just take away some of your medical benefits, if you would just give up on that pesky retirement plan, then we could make money. They blamed us and the public and the financial community bought it.
This award is an example of the public and George Nicolau buying on to the principal that it's the employees fault for the financial troubles of their carrier. How could ALPA merger policy punish pilots for the bad decisions their management made. I'll take it even farther I don't believe the management mismanaged us into bankruptcy, I believe they did it on purpose as a tool. After all look at the results. US Airways, United, Northwest and Delta have all lost their pensions through use of the bankruptcy courts. In addition to the tremendous pay, work rules and benefits lost. ;
Capt. Prater as an Association we can not allow our pilots to be further abused by an arbitrator that just doesn't get it and who has bought on to the premises that we were at fault and our jobs and the sacrifices we have made don't count for anything.
I use to hear your predecessor Capt Woerth pound his fist on the table and preach that we were a union. UNION UNION UNION
We will never be a union until we have a national seniority list and until ALPA is willing to have the fortitude to step in and do what's right. ALPA National has hidden behind the non interference policy for too long.
Imagine what would have happened if ALPA National had intervened in the US Airways discussions when our pension was at stake. Because of the ill advised stance of 4 roll call majority pilots not only did US Airways pilots loose their pension but so did UAL, NWA, and DAL.
Captain Prater if you allow a pilot's years of service to be totally discounted as was the case in this award how can we possibly feel comfortable being a member of this association. Frankly, how could any of the legacy carriers feel comfortable if this arbitration stands?
I have been impressed with your leadership so far however, this will truly be a defining moment for ALPA and I'm sure we will look back on it as such.
Sincerely,
Capt. Robert P. Gaudioso
Former Chairman, US Airways MEC
Seniority # 384
As the saying goes, birds of a feather...tell Bob we said hi!
Ardenian
Advanced
Hello, anyone? USA320Pilot...USA320Pilot?
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