IAM WINS!

[700UW]

The IAMNPF is a joke, as Bob said before if the pension at US is so great why is the airline full of old fogies? And the IAM will spread misleading campaign material but you will NEVER lose the vested portion of your benefits

Josh

You are truly just fecal matter stirrer.

The IAM for M&R just got the pension in 2008, they have just vested this year. We had a DBP that was terminated in 2005.

New hires are in the pension plan for M&R, Fleet and the MTS.

Keep trying.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[robbedagain]

i think the pension will stay but i have to wonder at what cost will the pension stay right now both groups need to be focus on new contracts now not later lock n loaded

 

[blue collar]

You are truly just fecal matter stirrer.

The IAM for M&R just got the pension in 2008, they have just vested this year. We had a DBP that was terminated in 2005.

New hires are in the pension plan for M&R, Fleet and the MTS.

Keep trying.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

When we got the pension in 2008, they said that our previous years of service went towards vesting, so many were vested right away. That being said, a vested guys payout right now is what, $425/month? The pension can be good for the guys who are young and just started. I just wonder what the IAM is going to forego in order to keep the 'precious' pension, you know, like the last time?

 

[700UW]

The 401k match was lost and put into the pension.

A 401k will run out of money in about 15 years, the pension will keep paying.

The pension is better than what you had before, remember when the stock market did bad, so did everyone's 401k, how many US employees took a beating in their 401ks with US stock, remember that?

 

[swamt]

Hey guys you may not have to worry about a merger after all. Looks like the DOJ is not approving and suing to stop the merger from going thru. Huge topic in another thread. Contacting the NMB to find the answers to these questions may be a waste of time...

 

[Topcat187]

You are truly just fecal matter stirrer.

The IAM for M&R just got the pension in 2008, they have just vested this year. We had a DBP that was terminated in 2005.

New hires are in the pension plan for M&R, Fleet and the MTS.

Keep trying.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

This is part of the problem with having a union run pension. If the union stops performing, they will scare you into staying because of the pension. Welcome to the TWU/IAM!

 

[Topcat187]

i think the pension will stay but i have to wonder at what cost will the pension stay right now both groups need to be focus on new contracts now not later lock n loaded

How many years have you guys been focusing on a contract so far?

 

[TRAVIS]

When we got the pension in 2008, they said that our previous years of service went towards vesting, so many were vested right away. That being said, a vested guys payout right now is what, $425/month? The pension can be good for the guys who are young and just started. I just wonder what the IAM is going to forego in order to keep the 'precious' pension, you know, like the last time?

The IAM knows if they do not come up with something like the United contract they can get kicked out the door.
Like I Said: THE IAM HAS BEEN PUT ON NOTICE!

 

[700UW]

I supose you think your employer is your enemy? Pretty much sums up the problem with unions right there.

 

[700UW]

The IAM knows if they do not come up with something like the United contract they can get kicked out the door.
Like I Said: THE IAM HAS BEEN PUT ON NOTICE!

The UA contract that has no pension, and crappy scope language?

The UA contract that only has three lines of maintenance for 701 airplanes?

The UA contract that has UA mechanics on layoff and CO hiring off the street?

No thanks.

 

[robbedagain]

our contract became amendable at end of 2012 and they began negogiations since 2011 june

 

[TRAVIS]

The 401k match was lost and put into the pension.

A 401k will run out of money in about 15 years, the pension will keep paying.

The pension is better than what you had before, remember when the stock market did bad, so did everyone's 401k, how many US employees took a beating in their 401ks with US stock, remember that?

WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO BS, I KNOW You make a funny....lol With the average age here at over 50 and most not able to retire till well into their 60's most will not LIVE 15 YEARS after retirement to run out of 401k money... LOL

 

[swamt]

700, I got your message. Who confirmed your inquiry? IAM international? TWU international? or the NMB? I have a call in to the NMB. The same man that called me back last time will call me back again and I will update you on the answers he gives me. I trust no information coming from IAM or TWU. No offence but I never trust any unions that are trying to "FORCE" the members into an alliance or they will go "non-union". Now can you explain a post you did in another thread explaining the 3 options on the ballot that will come from the NMB (as you stated, not me). You listed assoc., no union, and other as the options of choice. "OTHER" what the hell is that? What is the definition of "other"? Do you mean "write-in" or "speak-in" option? BTW; who gave you these 3 options on the ballot? IAM? TWU? or the NMB? I will be sure to ask when he returns my call what the options or choices are going to be as well as an "explanation" of all options listed. Just by your post listing other with no explanation of what other is, tells me that there is more there than you and the IAM and TWU are letting out. This is what forced me to call the NMB for explanations. I now really look forward to his returned call, there is something fishy about your lack of info of options, no offence but it looks skeptical to me as it should to others as well... BTW pls don't private message me, I no longer answer thru private messages, I will only post for all to see.

 

[Topcat187]

The 401k match was lost and put into the pension.

A 401k will run out of money in about 15 years, the pension will keep paying.

The pension is better than what you had before, remember when the stock market did bad, so did everyone's 401k, how many US employees took a beating in their 401ks with US stock, remember that?

That is correct, a pension is better than a 401k... That is as long as its there when you need it. You very well might be better off with a 401k, cash it out when you retire, go to Vegas and put it all on red. Im not too sure I like pensions being tied to a union either, because if they dont perform well, people will be afraid to leave.

 

[swamt]

700, I got your message. Who confirmed your inquiry? IAM international? TWU international? or the NMB? I have a call in to the NMB. The same man that called me back last time will call me back again and I will update you on the answers he gives me. I trust no information coming from IAM or TWU. No offence but I never trust any unions that are trying to "FORCE" the members into an alliance or they will go "non-union". Now can you explain a post you did in another thread explaining the 3 options on the ballot that will come from the NMB (as you stated, not me). You listed assoc., no union, and other as the options of choice. "OTHER" what the hell is that? What is the definition of "other"? Do you mean "write-in" or "speak-in" option? BTW; who gave you these 3 options on the ballot? IAM? TWU? or the NMB? I will be sure to ask when he returns my call what the options or choices are going to be as well as an "explanation" of all options listed. Just by your post listing other with no explanation of what other is, tells me that there is more there than you and the IAM and TWU are letting out. This is what forced me to call the NMB for explanations. I now really look forward to his returned call, there is something fishy about your lack of info of options, no offence but it looks skeptical to me as it should to others as well... BTW pls don't private message me, I no longer answer thru private messages, I will only post for all to see.

Ok 700, just got my returned call, it came from Don West. He told me that the NMB will have nothing to do with the TWU/IAM merger (if you will) or an internal coming together of the two airlines with a vote by the members to accept or decline. So first step that the NMB will run or control this "Employee Association" election is false. Furthermore, the NMB "only" gets involved if one of the two unions involved submits and request a representational election. He also said he has no earthly idea what options will be on the ballot of the combined union election that we are speaking about as this type of election will be handled internally by the unions. Now onto other question in my post listed above that you never replied to: What does the "other" option on the ballot, you say will be, along with 1- yes for assoc., and 2 no-no union? What exactly does "other" mean 700? Still can't believe a union will have a forced vote for a representational group otherwise you will be non-union. Now that's democracy isn't it? One choice for representation, if you do not for the representation listed you will be non-union. Just doesn't look right to me. If it is, I would vote "NO", go non-union, until you guys could have a vote to bring in AMFA or go on your own with private union. And yes 700 I will post this in the AA thread as well, as affects both sides equally if this BS rep election is allowed to be forced upon the members. You guys better hope AMFA gets their shot at AA again so you all can rid yourself of such a controlling union rather it's IAM or TWU...