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I talked to the man that wrote the alliance for the IAM, they are going to have the NMB run the election. And other will be speak in.

Also the certification will be transferred from the IAM and TWU to the alliance, only the NMB can do that.
 
I talked to the man that wrote the alliance for the IAM, they are going to have the NMB run the election. And other will be speak in.

Also the certification will be transferred from the IAM and TWU to the alliance, only the NMB can do that.
So the IAM is going to request that the NMB run the election? Is this true? And you say that the "other" option will be a "speak-in" option? If the NMB is running the election it is to my understanding that the "speak-in" option and the "write-in" option are actually the one in the same. Meaning that if the NMB does in fact run the election then there will be an option to either "speak-in" or "write-in" as there are still folks out there without internet so they will do the "speak-in" option, and there are folks out there without phones and internet so they will be allowed to do the "write-in" option. Either way, don't care. For now, thx for the answer finally to the "other" option. At least now all the US and AA mechanics will be able to "write-in" or "speak-in" AMFA as their choice of representational union during the new "Employee Association" election. However, I will once again contact Don West and ask if the IAM does in fact ask for the NMB to conduct the election (as he did tell me that if one of the two unions request the NMB to conduct an election, they will) and ask what their options would be listed on the ballot, as I still will say, if the NMB does run the election it will be the following; 1- Yes for assoc., 2- No against the assoc., 3- "write-in" OR "speak-in" option (which is where the members can "write-in" or "speak-in" any union they wish to represent them, Ex: AMFA) and finally 4- No union or non union. But, like I have said before, hopefully AMFA will get a shot at AA and we won't have to worry about all this. I will update after talking to the NMB again.
 
I advise all of you that are getting wrapped up in this thread to do your own investigation on this subject, and that doesn't mean listening to either the IAM or TWU.

None of the information on the so called balloting of this would-be election that has so far been put forward is definitive. As of right now IT CAN'T BE.

Until there is a completed merger, there can't be an investigation into a Single Transportation System or STS.

Until there is a completed NMB STS investigation there cannot be an election.

If/When the NMB STS investigation is complete, AND the merged carriers are considered a STS for the class and craft in question, then there is a window for intervenors to file a showing of interest and be added to the ballot.
 
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5. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
 
5. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

And again from my previous post...

Until there is a completed merger, there can't be an investigation into a Single Transportation System or STS.

Until there is a completed NMB STS investigation there cannot be an election.

If/When the NMB STS investigation is complete, AND the merged carriers are considered a STS for the class and craft in question, then there is a window for intervenors to file a showing of interest and be added to the ballot.
 
5. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
Just because the IAM printed it in a Q and A form does not mean it is true. You purposely said "other" instead of 'write-in" or "speak-in" as you know very well if this combination of the two unions are brought together and a vote is coming for the new Employee Association or (Alliance) as you call it now, there will be a huge AMFA write-in campaign at AA as well as at US, which could very easily remove both the TWU and the IAM in one smooth vote by writing in AMFA or speaking in AMFA. If this combination of the unions do not happen, then there will be another AMFA chance givin by the NMB or after May of 2014...
 
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Huge write in at US?

Lets see out of 3,350 votes, there was eight write ins for AMFA, heck no union got 21 votes, lol.

And the former ibt supporters for the most part of getting behind the IAM, reps have been out all week on the floor, building solidarity to focus on getting a CBA.

The ibt said they filed with 2,800 cards and only got 1,400 votes.
 
Huge write in at US?

Lets see out of 3,350 votes, there was eight write ins for AMFA, heck no union got 21 votes, lol.

And the former ibt supporters for the most part of getting behind the IAM, reps have been out all week on the floor, building solidarity to focus on getting a CBA.

The ibt said they filed with 2,800 cards and only got 1,400 votes.

Yes and there was no push for AMFA either so what is your point about the eight votes AMFA got on a write in?

Kind of wonder how many of those IBT cards that were filed were legit?
50% decided to change their minds? Really? I doubt it.
To avoid further embarrassment the IBT bails out at AA before the truth was exposed.
We still have guys supporting the IBT. I just do not see the logic in this.
 
Yes and there was no push for AMFA either so what is your point about the eight votes AMFA got on a write in?

Kind of wonder how many of those IBT cards that were filed were legit?
50% decided to change their minds? Really? I doubt it.
To avoid further embarrassment the IBT bails out at AA before the truth was exposed.
We still have guys supporting the IBT. I just do not see the logic in this.
We dont see the logic in AMFA or the 8 who voted....LOL
By the way HOW IS AMFA GOING TO SAVE YOUR PENSION...LOL
 
Amfa does not handle pensions. Unlike your corrupt teamsters. Your posting idiotic comments again. Have a nice IAM day.
 
Huge write in at US?

Lets see out of 3,350 votes, there was eight write ins for AMFA, heck no union got 21 votes, lol.

And the former ibt supporters for the most part of getting behind the IAM, reps have been out all week on the floor, building solidarity to focus on getting a CBA.

The ibt said they filed with 2,800 cards and only got 1,400 votes.
C'mon 700, I was mot saying they had a write-in campaign at US. What I am indicating in my entire posting is that if this ends up being true about the write-in and speak-in, and all the members of both AA and US get this information long prior to the actual voting, then yes there would be a huge write-in campaign at both carriers. Keep it up 700, and soon you will be saying; "how in the world did AMFA makes it's way into BOTH AA and US after the merger. You see what happened at US as only 8 write-ins for AMFA when there was not even a mention of AMFA at US like there was at AA. I see the 8 write-ins at US being the 8 AMFA campaign organizers that are ready to "UNITE FOR CHANGE"
 
We dont see the logic in AMFA or the 8 who voted....LOL
By the way HOW IS AMFA GOING TO SAVE YOUR PENSION...LOL
AMFA has not ever said they will save your pensions. The TWU has "agreed" with the company to freeze the pensions. Therefore, no more input or increases, it's frozen. What AMFA might do, as they have at other carriers, is increase the wages to more desirable level where the members are able to apply what they want to a 401K, as well as increase the match amount by the company as they did at SWA and are now in talks at Alaska about a dollar figure to be increased and implemented. Pensions are all going by the waste side, they just are not sustainable for a long term retirement plan as we have all seen thru-out our industry. Most have been frozen or all together vacated and handed over to the gov bennies for pennies on the dollars. This is not something that AMFA would just nego behind close doors and nego and implement. It would be decided and voted upon by the membership, not agreed to by the union as the TWU did.
 
"In an even more astounding revelation, both the TWU, who currently represents the AA mechanic and related, and the IBT acknowledged that the TWU invited the IBT in to run a diversionary false drive at AA because they were afraid of AMFA."

The above statement is from Louie Key's update. If the above statement is verified and admitted by both sides then I would think this would be enough to fall under the "extraordinary and unusual" circumstances that the NMB calls for to forego the one year restriction and accept AMFA's appeal. All the other stuff, forgery, fraudulent card collections and the collusion between company, ibt and the TWU would just be added bonuses supporting the appeal even more. Just not quite sure what is taking so long for this easy investigation by the NMB. Oh, that's right, it's the gov...
 
I talked to the man that wrote the alliance for the IAM, they are going to have the NMB run the election. And other will be speak in.

Also the certification will be transferred from the IAM and TWU to the alliance, only the NMB can do that.
OK 700, here it is yet again. Only this time I sent e-mail in order to have it in writing from the NMB to post for ALL to see. The only items left out of the e-mails between Don West and myself are my name and the Q and A from the TWU/IAM alliance web site. You know if I were any of you guys at US or AA I would no longer trust what they are telling you guys. Get involved yourselves and e-mail the NMB for your answers, DO NOT trust what the union that is trying to force it's members into this so called "Alliance". Now 700, take particular attention to the very first para where he answers rather the NMB will be handling the election or not, as I told you before, and you now have it from the NMB, and I quote; "the NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and DOES NOT CONDUCT SUCH ELECTIONS."
Here's the emails, starting with Don West answering my e-mail, happy reading:-

RE your Question: My main issue with this "Alliance" vote is, who will run it?


Just how a union chooses to represent its members is an internal-union matter, not under the jurisdiction of the National Mediation Board. The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections.





RE your Question: Another question; How long does the NMB normally take when a union files an appeal to protest against the one year limitation term of filing again at a carrier where another union has pulled out of a representational election? Just curious to a possible time frame of the outcome.


I'm not sure I understand this question, but if you are talking about a Representation case, it seems you may be asking about Time limits on applications. If so, you may want to see Section 1206.4 of NMB Rules at http://www.nmb.gov/documents/nmbrules1099.html




RE your Question: Question #5 is the way they are now saying they will ask for the NMB to run the election:


We cannot address hypothetical applications. Applications actually received by the NMB for the Investigation of Representation Disputes are handled on a case-by-case basis.







My original e-mail below:

Don West,

As we have been discussing about the TWU and IAM combining, yes some things have changed on their side since we last spoke. My main issue with this "Alliance" vote is, who will run it? And what options will the mechanic and related have to choose from, and what results would be obtained from voting on each option?
We are being told that the NMB will run the election. We are also being told that there will only be 2 options on the ballot for this "Alliance" vote; 1- Yes, for the Association and 2- No which would be a vote for no-union or non-union. Then after I informed them that I was contacting the NMB to get answers we were told that there would be a third option of "other", with no explanation of what "other" meant. I suggested to them that the "other" option (with the NMB running the election) generally means "write-in" or "speak-in" option where the one could "write-in" or "speak-in" any choice of union they wish. It took constant pressure and inquiries but they finally admitted (after 2 weeks) that the "other" option does mean a "speak-in" option. Here is what I suggested the options would be with the NMB running such an election: 1- Yes, for the Alliance (Association) 2- No, against the Alliance (Association) 3- "Write-in" or "speak-in" 4- No union or Non-union. Then we were all told that this is a different type of an election than a regular card collection and vote for representation, therefore the options I listed above will not be the same. Mr. West can you please indicate what will happen? And what the options will be? And this is even if the NMB will run the election. As we have spoke before, you mentioned that the NMB wouldn't conduct an election unless you were asked to by the unions, well as #5 Q&A states below, both associations will be filing with the NMB to conduct the election. If this is all true, would you be so kind to provide the options on the ballots that the members will receive for this type of an election?

Another question; How long does the NMB normally take when a union files an appeal to protest against the one year limitation term of filing again at a carrier where another union has pulled out of a representational election? Just curious to a possible time frame of the outcome.

Again Mr. West thanks so much for time and patients with me. It seems a lot of my previous information has changed due to the IAM/TWU Alliance has changed some of their information after some of us have proven them wrong. I just cannot see 2 unions coming together with a vote that forces you to vote for the Alliance or vote No and be non-union. It sounds to me like the members actually don't have a choice.

Here is the TWU and IAM Q&A. Question #5 is the way they are now saying they will ask for the NMB to run the election:
Sincerely, Very concerned mechanic

Attached was the Q&A from the TWU/IAM alliance web page. Did not want to bore you with that as we all know what it says.

Again guys, PER THE NMB, they will not conduct such an election for the new alliance, combination or merger of the TWU and IAM. You guys are soon to be screwed by your own union as they (unions) will control what options are on the ballots as it will be handled internally. You guys better hope AMFA gets another chance and put a stop to this ridiculous controlling unions.
 
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http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/USA_2013-46.pdf

Go to this page and scroll down, full copies of the Alliance agreement are online.

And like I said, I talked to the man who wrote the alliance, and like I said, they will be filing with the NMB to conduct the election, the IAM nor the TWU doesnt have the power to change the certification and put it from the IAM and TWU to the Alliance, why dont you ask him that?

And the man who wrote the Alliance is a good friend of mine, I have known him for over 20 years and is one of my mentors.

He wouldnt lie to me, nor would this man lie to the members.


Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each
of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.



http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/TWU/Mechanic%20and%20Related%20Association%20Agreement.pdf
 

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