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AMFAinMIAMI
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So tell us then why did the IAM ask to be released from negotiations with DP?
Why did enough guys sign cards to rid USAirways from the IAM?
"YES" AA is in BK but your name will be gone NOT the AA name.
WE have 9500 you have 3500 approx numbers, you are not going to run the union at AA what ever union is here after the merger. It will be decided by the AA mechanics not the USAirways guys. I am nothing like travis he was ate up with the IBT. I am not with any union. Which ever is best for us all is what I want.
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sore loser...
TRAVIS
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THE NEW GLASS HOUSE WILL BE IN TEXAS??
TRAVIS
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WHAT ARE YOU SOME RAMP RAT?????
SPIT!
roabilly
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We’ve already been through this with the US/AMW merger, so we are jaded in that regard. There will be no US vs THEM… read the alliance!!
Thank you for the link. However it is from the TWU, not the NMB, so I take it with a grain of salt. Here is one of their questions and answers that I copied: Q: Will the members have only two choices when the Alliance election is held?
A: Most likely, yes. When the Association applies for representation the choices will be for the Association or no union, unless an outside union intervenes and appears on the ballot.
Now here's more questions; why in the world would the options be for the association, or no union?? I call BS!! I bet it is more likely--Yes for the association, OR NO for the association. If the majority votes Yes for the association then it is what it is. If the majority votes NO for the association, does not mean they don't want to be unionized. It just means they do not agree to be part of the association.
The answer above goes on to say "unless an outside union intervenes and appears on the ballot."---- Now the only way an outside union can "appear" on a ballot is by a card drive that produces 50% plus one of the majority. Now we all know that there can not be outside union to appear on a ballot at US or AA by means of a card drive for 2 years, as well as the TWU also knows this at the time they printed the Q and A's you have provided. So knowing all of this what does "unless an outside union intervenes and appears on the ballot." mean? I would be willing to bet that this could very well be the "write in" option, but I am not positive. Again thank you for the link, but still not convinced it is the correct answers as they are from one of the two unions involved in this assoc. that both are pushing for. I would much rather get this answered thru the NMB.
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Maybe you should make an effort to contact the NMB... I'm sure they would be willing to answer your questions...
If I were an US or AA mechanic I would. I would not trust the TWU or the IAM when they say that the up coming employee association vote is either yes to the association, or it's no union. Sounds like a scare tactic to me by the 2 unions involved with trying to scare the entire membership of both sides to vote into this association. I think it is more like yes for the assoc. or no for the assoc.. If the final is yes, then you all will be in the new employ assoc. If it is no then the NMB will have to call for an election between TWU and IAM.
Tell you what, have the membership ask both the TWU and the IAM to put it in writing what the real options are and sign it that it is as they put in writing, bet they won't do it...
700-I would like to throw this same question to you: This is the way I understand it. There will be a vote on this new "employee association". Will this vote be held by the NMB? If so will the ballot have the same options as a regular union representational vote? 1-TWU, 2-IAM, 3-TWU/IAM assoc., 4-"write-in", or 5-no union?? OR will it be, 1-Yes TWU/IAM employ assoc., 2-No TWU/IAM employ assoc., 3-"write-in", 4- no union?? OR will it simply be 2 options on this first vote, 1-Yes for the TWU/IAM employ assoc., or 2-NO against the TWU/IAM employ assoc.? The way I understand your post is the very last option is what you say will happen, therefore if everyone would vote NO for the new TWU/IAM employ assoc. then the NMB would be forced to call for an election at the merged carrier with the 4 options of 1-TWU, 2-IAM, 3-"write-in" or "speak-in" and 4- no union? This could get very confusing for some as this IMO is not a regular union representational vote that the TWU and IAM are trying to get passed. I believe some are thinking they will have more than just the yes or no vote for the new employ assoc. All of this is IF there is not an ibt/TWU election granted at AA or if the TWU prevails if there is an election of course. The reason I ask is because someone has posted (I believe it was 700) that if they vote the new employ assoc. down then they will be non-union, is this true?? Or just scare tactic to vote in the assoc.? A lot of information needs to get out about the exact voting methods coming up. Hope you understand the question and the possible confusion that could be coming.
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First of all the company cannot just stop going by whats in the CBA and the IAM wont give up the pension in JCBA negotiations.
You are truly clueless, by law AA/US has to pay its obligations.
US, USAIR, US Airways you know what he meant. No one gets upset when someone calls American Airlines "American". And as AMFAinMIAMI said the sun will soon set on the US name, corporate identify and livery!
I wouldn't call the IAM receiving 57% of the vote resounding defeat, the IAM gets to hold on what they have by a small margin. And now the IAM can't use what they call the INT Raid as an excuse for not getting you a CBA. They will never admit it, but based on all the videos and campaign materials produced the IAM did feel threatened by the election.
Josh
The IAM only gets to keep the pension if the company agrees, and history has shown the IAM is willing to give into the company without much of a fight. They do an especially good job dividing the membership by eliminating pensions and other benefits for new hires.
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