IAM WINS!

[AMFAinMIAMI]

OK… let me see if I understand you correctly—You want M&R to vote down any alliance, and vote in AMFA?! Now… in so doing this… you are freely admitting that the existing pension plan will cease to exist, and will no longer accrue future benefits… in fact “Frozen” at the point of the Union change?

Good luck selling that to the rank and file; it’ll go over like a lead balloon!

If you think that once AA and USAir merge that that AA is going to have one group with a pension and another without you are sadly mistaken. I am sorry to say but the pension as you know it at USAir will be modified or frozen as ours is here at AA.

I wish I thought other wise but you need to look at the way the TWU rolled over here and what is going to happen when both carriers merge.

We the mechanics of the industry have taken it in the shorts for so long while the COE's and big union reps have lined their pockets. many have lost it all.

I am not trying to sell anything,....

 

[roabilly]

If you think that once AA and USAir merge that that AA is going to have one group with a pension and another without you are sadly mistaken. I am sorry to say but the pension as you know it at USAir will be modified or frozen as ours is here at AA.

I wish I thought other wise but you need to look at the way the TWU rolled over here and what is going to happen when both carriers merge.

We the mechanics of the industry have taken it in the shorts for so long while the COE's and big union reps have lined their pockets. many have lost it all.

I am not trying to sell anything,....

Yes you are... you're selling AMFA!

Now as far as the pension plan… on the US side... its part of the IAM agreement and it is entitled the IAMNPF. It is NOT a company provided pension, however… they are contractually contributing to it!

 

[lineguy43]

Put on notice?

You got your horse head ### kicked.

Win? Well I guess considering what they had to vote on yes it was a win for US. I have a few friends who have been with AMFA, IAM and IBT and they all say IBT was the worst bar none. I have my issues with the IAM for sure if they had not neglected us AMT's at NW they would not have had their asses handed to them we would have stayed. I hope they (IAM) have at least learned the lessons of the past and actually started to work for the AMT but I have my doubts.. Anyway good move US guys for now..

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Yes you are... you're selling AMFA!

Now as far as the pension plan… on the US side... its part of the IAM agreement and it is entitled the IAMNPF. It is NOT a company provided pension, however… they are contractually contributing to it!

When the two companies merge they will work to get one bargaining agreement for all. Until the USAirs and AA contracts will remain in place. BUT when it is all said and done AA will not fund the IAM pension in any way since they did away with our pension here at aa. They have now replaced it with a 401k. Our defined pension is frozen. Sooner or later the IAM pension will fall the same result AA will not fund it.

You guys signed cards to rid USAir of the IAM, we signed cards as well to rid ourselves of the TWU, Bringing AMFA to us all once the merger is completed will keep your pension and mine at AA safe for us all. The IAM delt with us with the TWU, and parker did as well. There is less than half of our total numbers there why would AA elect to keep funding your IAM pension when they got rid of ours? Think about it?
Once the union is decided and the company and union get one contract your IAM pension will be gone. replaced by a 401k or what ever corp america decides to offer us.

 

[700UW]

Guess you didnt read this:

http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/TWU/TWU%20&%20IAM%20Joint%20Agreement%20on%20Pensions.pdf

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Yes you are... you're selling AMFA!

Now as far as the pension plan… on the US side... its part of the IAM agreement and it is entitled the IAMNPF. It is NOT a company provided pension, however… they are contractually contributing to it!

Roabilly

The IAM has done such a great job over there that with the two BK's you guys lost many of the bennies you had from the past. WE at AA have lost alot as well with the TWU. Isn't it time we all try something new? At least with AMFA we all can attend the negotiations not just the union reps. WE will be free of the ramp and stores. We can Vote out the Top Union officials when they fail to look out for our best interest.

NONE of these can be done with the TWU or the IAM or IBT.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Guess you didnt read this:

http://www.iamdl142....on Pensions.pdf

700UW you think the TWU and IAM are going to keep funding after a single carrier and one CBA are set in place for the combined work force? Its gone at AA and when it is all worked out the money AA/USAir pay into the IAM pension will stop. Don't be fooled into thinking different.

 

[roabilly]

When the two companies merge they will work to get one bargaining agreement for all. Until the USAirs and AA contracts will remain in place. BUT when it is all said and done AA will not fund the IAM pension in any way since they did away with our pension here at aa. They have now replaced it with a 401k. Our defined pension is frozen. Sooner or later the IAM pension will fall the same result AA will not fund it.

You guys signed cards to rid USAir of the IAM, we signed cards as well to rid ourselves of the TWU, Bringing AMFA to us all once the merger is completed will keep your pension and mine at AA safe for us all. The IAM delt with us with the TWU, and parker did as well. There is less than half of our total numbers there why would AA elect to keep funding your IAM pension when they got rid of ours? Think about it?
Once the union is decided and the company and union get one contract your IAM pension will be gone. replaced by a 401k or what ever corp america decides to offer us.

First… we are not “USAir”… that name went away many years ago. Second, you are way out of touch with what’s going on in the retirement plans on the US side. One of the main reasons for the resounding defeat the IBT just suffered was due to the IAMNPF and its excellent benefits. M&R and Fleet have both… a pension (IAMNPF) and 401k!

Read the PDF file 700 provided. The language clearly elaborates on the alliance and the effect it will have on the IAMNPF. If you can’t understand this as reality, you have a comprehension problem!

 

[Just Another BK]

If you think that once AA and USAir merge that that AA is going to have one group with a pension and another without you are sadly mistaken. I am sorry to say but the pension as you know it at USAir will be modified or frozen as ours is here at AA.

I wish I thought other wise but you need to look at the way the TWU rolled over here and what is going to happen when both carriers merge.

We the mechanics of the industry have taken it in the shorts for so long while the COE's and big union reps have lined their pockets. many have lost it all.

I am not trying to sell anything,....

You AMFA guys crack me up. You have convinced a total of 8 US M&R over to the other dark side. Good Luck with that on a write in campaign and your Pension statement makes no sense whatsoever. The IAMPF cannot be modified or frozen since US is not in Bankruptcy. AMR is in bankruptcy and how did the TWU roll over when the M&R voted to accept the BK Contract. Even the great and powerful AMR Pilots group had their contract abrogated. That is why companies file bankruptcy. They can then get around CBA's and put in place a cost structure that returns them to profitability. This merger will benefit everyone sooner rather than later IMO. As a little side note both United and NWA launched the IAM and look what that got them? Nothing.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

First… we are not “USAir”… that name went away many years ago. Second, you are way out of touch with what’s going on in the retirement plans on the US side. One of the main reasons for the resounding defeat the IBT just suffered was due to the IAMNPF and its excellent benefits. M&R and Fleet have both… a pension (IAMNPF) and 401k!

Sorry about your company name which will also be gone when the merger takes place along with your paint. You have a 401k I get it but the money that USAirways pays into the IAM pension will stop when we merge since AA does not pay into any pension plan for us any more. I say this when AA gets a new cba for us all.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

You AMFA guys crack me up. You have convinced a total of 8 US M&R over to the other dark side. Good Luck with that on a write in campaign and your Pension statement makes no sense whatsoever. The IAMPF cannot be modified or frozen since US is not in Bankruptcy. AMR is in bankruptcy and how did the TWU roll over when the M&R voted to accept the BK Contract. Even the great and powerful AMR Pilots group had their contract abrogated. That is why companies file bankruptcy. They can then get around CBA's and put in place a cost structure that returns them to profitability. This merger will benefit everyone sooner rather than later IMO. As a little side note both United and NWA launched the IAM and look what that got them? Nothing.

When they create a new CBA for the combined USAirways/AA the contract will do away with payment into the IAM pension plan is what I am saying. It may take a few yrs but I tell you now it will stop. ASk the IAM reps if they think AA will continue to fund it after a new cba is negotiated?

 

[Just Another BK]

700UW you think the TWU and IAM are going to keep funding after a single carrier and one CBA are set in place for the combined work force? Its gone at AA and when it is all worked out the money AA/USAir pay into the IAM pension will stop. Don't be fooled into thinking different.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about. When you come on here and support AMFA with statements like you are making about a pension you know nothing about you sound foolish. At least have an intelligent statement and back it up.

 

[roabilly]

Sorry about your company name which will also be gone when the merger takes place along with your paint. You have a 401k I get it but the money that USAirways pays into the IAM pension will stop when we merge since AA does not pay into any pension plan for us any more. I say this when AA gets a new cba for us all.

I guess you are the new “Travis”… what a dubious distinction! You are talking out of your a** when you say… “AA doesn’t do this, and AA doesn’t do that”. I got news for you… the US guy will be running your AA! Further, after the IAM & TWU finish the Transition Agreements, the IAMNPF WILL remain!

Chew baccer spit!

 

[swamt]

I want to say to all of the IAM represented mechanics at USAir THANK YOU for NOT bringing IN the IBT. Smart move.

Now we the mechanics of the new American Airlines need to work together and get rid of the industrial unions TWU/IAM from our class and craft. Lets Vote this assoc. down force the NMB to give us a vote and then we can write in AMFA. Thus you keep what pension you have now. Since AMFA wants nothing to do with pensions and AA and the IAM will have to manage the pensions for us all even though frozen we won't loose them.

Again Congrats for NOT VOTING IN THE IBT.

This is the way I understand it. There will be a vote on this new "employee association". Will this vote be held by the NMB? If so will the ballot have the same options as a regular union representational vote? 1-TWU, 2-IAM, 3-TWU/IAM assoc., 4-"write-in", or 5-no union?? OR will it be, 1-Yes TWU/IAM employ assoc., 2-No TWU/IAM employ assoc., 3-"write-in", 4- no union?? OR will it simply be 2 options on this first vote, 1-Yes for the TWU/IAM employ assoc., or 2-NO against the TWU/IAM employ assoc.? The way I understand your post is the very last option is what you say will happen, therefore if everyone would vote NO for the new TWU/IAM employ assoc. then the NMB would be forced to call for an election at the merged carrier with the 4 options of 1-TWU, 2-IAM, 3-"write-in" or "speak-in" and 4- no union? This could get very confusing for some as this IMO is not a regular union representational vote that the TWU and IAM are trying to get passed. I believe some are thinking they will have more than just the yes or no vote for the new employ assoc. All of this is IF there is not an ibt/TWU election granted at AA or if the TWU prevails if there is an election of course. The reason I ask is because someone has posted (I believe it was 700) that if they vote the new employ assoc. down then they will be non-union, is this true?? Or just scare tactic to vote in the assoc.? A lot of information needs to get out about the exact voting methods coming up. Hope you understand the question and the possible confusion that could be coming.

 

[roabilly]

This is the way I understand it. There will be a vote on this new "employee association". Will this vote be held by the NMB? If so will the ballot have the same options as a regular union representational vote? 1-TWU, 2-IAM, 3-TWU/IAM assoc., 4-"write-in", or 5-no union?? OR will it be, 1-Yes TWU/IAM employ assoc., 2-No TWU/IAM employ assoc., 3-"write-in", 4- no union?? OR will it simply be 2 options on this first vote, 1-Yes for the TWU/IAM employ assoc., or 2-NO against the TWU/IAM employ assoc.? The way I understand your post is the very last option is what you say will happen, therefore if everyone would vote NO for the new TWU/IAM employ assoc. then the NMB would be forced to call for an election at the merged carrier with the 4 options of 1-TWU, 2-IAM, 3-"write-in" or "speak-in" and 4- no union? This could get very confusing for some as this IMO is not a regular union representational vote that the TWU and IAM are trying to get passed. I believe some are thinking they will have more than just the yes or no vote for the new employ assoc. All of this is IF there is not an ibt/TWU election granted at AA or if the TWU prevails if there is an election of course. The reason I ask is because someone has posted (I believe it was 700) that if they vote the new employ assoc. down then they will be non-union, is this true?? Or just scare tactic to vote in the assoc.? A lot of information needs to get out about the exact voting methods coming up. Hope you understand the question and the possible confusion that could be coming.

My suggestion is that everyone here get educated on this... before posting disinformation.

[background=rgb(240, 240, 240)]"Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers."[/background]

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