IAM WINS!

[ThirdSeatHero]

Just got it confirmed, this is what the NMB will have on the ballot for the association vote:

Yes for the association

No union

Other

Curious that the NMB would confirm anything seeing as the merger is in question, no STS has yet been determined, and potential intervenors may yet arise, that with sufficient showing of interest, would indeed be on the ballot.

 

[700UW]

The IAM and TWU have all ready been in contact with the NMB, this isnt a normal union election.

No cards have been signed and gathered to call for an election.

Your looking at eight months after the merger is completed for SCS to be filed, only if the IAM at US have new CBAs as all three groups are in Section 6 negotiations.

And AMFA or any other union would have to get around 7,000 to 8,000 cards to file to get on the ballot.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The IAM and TWU have all ready been in contact with the NMB, this isnt a normal union election.

No cards have been signed and gathered to call for an election.

Your looking at eight months after the merger is completed for SCS to be filed, only if the IAM at US have new CBAs as all three groups are in Section 6 negotiations.

And AMFA or any other union would have to get around 7,000 to 8,000 cards to file to get on the ballot.

Thank you for emphasizing my point.

Its curious that you claim a ballot has been confirmed for a representational election, covering the parties in a merger that by most accounts is now in jeopardy, and by your own admission is at least 8+ months off. Nevermind, the question of possible intervenors.

BTW while this may not be a normal union election, neither is it abnormal. The NMB has covered election brought on by mergers before. Just because the TWU/IAM are proposing an alliance doesn't change the NMBs election rules.

 

[700UW]

Show me where without cards being signed that allowed an election for a union, except for the CWA/ibt alliance.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Show me where without cards being signed that allowed an election for a union, except for the CWA/ibt alliance.

Incumbents ie; TWU/IAM need only show seniority lists or other proof of representation to provide showing of interest. They don't need to sign cards.

 

[Anomaly]

Put AMFA on the ballot at US against any of the industrial unions and there will be a very different outcome. The TWU,ibt, and IAM all know this, hence the collusion by the unions AND the company to keep AMFA off the ballot at AA so the company can keep their current union that just loves to agree to concessions with the company and never put up a fight.

Great idea swamt, put amfa on a ballot.

Hold the phone....didn't amfa just fail to get that done? And wasn't the failure all on their own? LMAO

 

[Anomaly]

The election was the IAM and the IBT, not AMFA.

And the IAM soundly defeated the reamsters.

I have to argue your opinion of "soundly" defeating the Teamsters. It was your own brothers who invited and allowed the election to take place in the first place. By your own admittance, at least 1,400 of these members were willing to give up on the IAM and just as many, if not more, were so dissatisfied they chose to not even vote. I would take a good long hard look at your current representation before you start doing any kind of victory dance. The IAM has a very long history of short term memory. They will quickly forget about the concerns of the membership. Maybe it will be amfa next? I guarantee US Air will see another election in the coming years. One thing for certain. The IAM will never change.

 

[700UW]

The IAM has changed and will change, so with your logic the IBT is mafia controlled, overseen by the federal government ata cost of over $4million a year.

Once a criminal, always a criminal.

 

[ChockJockey]

Might the Teamsters try raiding US Fleet after losing this election?

 

[700UW]

Incumbents ie; TWU/IAM need only show seniority lists or other proof of representation to provide showing of interest. They don't need to sign cards.

Wrong, if there was a normal SCS election the IAM would have to get about 3,000 cards to force an election, otherwise since the TWU M&R are more than double the size of the US M&R they would all become TWU.

Thats why in 2006 there was no election at US after the merger as the IBT couldnt gather enough cards to force an election.

 

[1AA]

Great idea swamt, put amfa on a ballot.

Hold the phone....didn't amfa just fail to get that done? And wasn't the failure all on their own? LMAO

Hey how are things moving along at UAL with negotiations? Almost three years of Teamster power and......................

 

[700UW]

What about that promise to the PMUA M&R about a pension?

What about CO hiring off the street and UA has guys on layoff?

Is that the horse head show of power?

 

[swamt]

Other sounds like a AMFA write in for me. I hope that my fellow amt's dont do a knucklehead move and write in the corrupt teamster. Too far down the road to see if this will even happen.

I was thinking the same, so I wanted to copy a post I put to 700 in the US thread, and a call into the NMB: 700, I got your message. Who confirmed your inquiry? IAM international? TWU international? or the NMB? I have a call in to the NMB. The same man that called me back last time will call me back again and I will update you on the answers he gives me. I trust no information coming from IAM or TWU. No offence but I never trust any unions that are trying to "FORCE" the members into an alliance or they will go "non-union". Now can you explain a post you did in another thread explaining the 3 options on the ballot that will come from the NMB (as you stated, not me). You listed assoc., no union, and other as the options of choice. "OTHER" what the hell is that? What is the definition of "other"? Do you mean "write-in" or "speak-in" option? BTW; who gave you these 3 options on the ballot? IAM? TWU? or the NMB? I will be sure to ask when he returns my call what the options or choices are going to be as well as an "explanation" of all options listed. Just by your post listing other with no explanation of what other is, tells me that there is more there than you and the IAM and TWU are letting out. This is what forced me to call the NMB for explanations. I now really look forward to his returned call, there is something fishy about your lack of info of options, no offence but it looks skeptical to me as it should to others as well... BTW pls don't private message me, I no longer answer thru private messages, I will only post for all to see.

 

[swamt]

Great idea swamt, put amfa on a ballot.

Hold the phone....didn't amfa just fail to get that done? And wasn't the failure all on their own? LMAO

When the company and the company union TWU as well as the corrupt ibt all working in collusion just to block AMFA from getting on the ballot all in itself speaks volumes for AMFA's reputation. They are all scared of AMFA period. The ibt and TWU notified the company when they were going to file so the company could get the eligibility list "voluntary" mind you, and in a record few hours after the ibt filed, therefore "BLOCKING" AMFA from getting their cards in. If the company hadn't had the info there in record timing, them AMFA would have been on the ballot. It all goes to show that the industrial unions as well as the airlines out there will do anything to keep AMFA out or off of ballots. Look at the teamsters forgery and fraudulent card collection at AA. They all are scared of what will happen if AMFA got on the ballots, plain and simple and speaks volumes for AMFA. You too are scared if AMFA made it on the ballot... But don't worry there is still a chance. Watch and learn.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Wrong, if there was a normal SCS election the IAM would have to get about 3,000 cards to force an election, otherwise since the TWU M&R are more than double the size of the US M&R they would all become TWU.

Thats why in 2006 there was no election at US after the merger as the IBT couldnt gather enough cards to force an election.

How is it wrong? By your own example this isn't a normal STS it isn't IAM vs TWU so no collection of cards is necessary. Just because the TWU & IAM have formed an alliance doesn't change the NMB rules on elections.

Since neither the TWU or the IAM is trying to oust the other via an election, what I said before holds...Incumbents ie; TWU/IAM need only show seniority lists or other proof of representation to provide showing of interest. They don't need to sign cards.

Which brings us back to the original question ... Just how has the NMB confirmed anything concerning a ballot for the association vote.