IAM Thread for the week of 2/19-2/26

[pit_till_death]

it all boils down to who the better man for the job is. If compare Delaney versus Canale, Canale is by far the better leader. He has negotiated the best contracts in the industry and has protected the most jobs during the industry's worst adversity.


And I think he has shot his load.........He's done :angry: We need people who are going to represent OUR interest, not his bankroll. WE are the union, not this arrogant, sadistic, egomaniac and his sheep. What makes you think that he will fight for what we want now? He already said that he can't. He said that the last T/A was the best he could do!!!!! Maybe Delany can do better.

 

[700UW]

Dio,

The courts have ruled while in bankruptcy unions do not have the right to strike under the RLA.

So it would have been a moot point.

Bottom line is the CBAs were abgorated, and the memberships ratified the final offers, everyone has to live with it.

The M&R furlough language for pay is five years.

And all of you blame the IAM for a lackluster TA, ever realize this company doesnt want to give you squat?

And this is from someone who has sat across the table from Glass, McKeen, Hemenway and Harbinson.

The company sees your group as divided and they prey upon your weakness.

Also FS did not go back further than M&R, you have only had a CBA since 1999, M&R has had one since 1949.

M&R gave up 46% of the jobs, they were eliminated, all the shops closed, line utility farmed out, heavy mtc of the A330, 767, 757 and 50% of the 737s all outsourced, something that was never permitted at US since the IAM was organized in 1949.

Shift differential eliminated, penison gone, retiree medical gone, do I need to continue?

 

[UAL_TECH]

Dio,

The courts have ruled while in bankruptcy unions do not have the right to strike under the RLA.

So it would have been a moot point.

Bottom line is the CBAs were abgorated, and the memberships ratified the final offers, everyone has to live with it.

The M&R furlough language for pay is five years.

And all of you blame the IAM for a lackluster TA, ever realize this company doesnt want to give you squat?

And this is from someone who has sat across the table from Glass, McKeen, Hemenway and Harbinson.

The company sees your group as divided and they prey upon your weakness.

Also FS did not go back further than M&R, you have only had a CBA since 1999, M&R has had one since 1949.

M&R gave up 46% of the jobs, they were eliminated, all the shops closed, line utility farmed out, heavy mtc of the A330, 767, 757 and 50% of the 737s all outsourced, something that was never permitted at US since the IAM was organized in 1949.

Shift differential eliminated, penison gone, retiree medical gone, do I need to continue?

Is this a 'testimony' or a confession?
Go ahead and add in the forced ANP for the UA Indy M&R that were not allowed to vote on the UA contract.
Which one of these 'clones' allowed it?

B) UT

 

[700UW]

Cant speak for UA, was not involved with their negotiations.

At US the members voted on the final offers.

UA and US did not have the same AGCs representing them.

 

[necigrad]

When did Canale do that?

At the Vegas Local meeting and nominations.

What was the situation?

This was after the meeting and Canale was speaking to numerous members.

What member did he yell at?

I'm not going to share that, and WHO isn't relevant in the least. It was a member in good standing,t hat's ALL that matters about who.

Who did he refuse to represent in the West?

Ummm... Everyone that's West.

What would he have to do with the Phl 22 other than being from PHL?

Honestly, all I have is a feeling. That is why I made it clear that it wasn't an allegation. The fact that he's from PHL has nothing to do with my gut feeling.

Who filed the DFR?

Never said anyone did. I don't have the time to do it, but I know there are several potential members who might go for it.

 

[seekthetruth]

People,
The real chance at the negotiations table is how well labor does in the federal elections this year. Canale is a true unionist and can mobilize people with just phone calls. Don't blame Randy for not being able to deliver a fair contract, blame Bush. How many of you have helped Randy and went to DC for our day of action? Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates senior workers who have been laid off? Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates profit sharing and contracts out more jobs? Hell no he didn't! But with Bush in office, there is not much that Labor can do. Don't blame Randy, blame Bush.
Also, although I'm all for democracy, I think this district election is going to divide our group, I understand your concern but now isn't the time to make changes. If you want to make changes then don't change horses in the middle of the race. Wait for the merger activity to conclude, vote on a contract, and then address the internal matters of the union.
Try to understand the complexity and difficulty of merging two workgroups. I know Randy hasn't done everything right but remember, you have been through 3 bankruptcies and the last thing you want to do is to try to hold out for a better contract that will send your company back to bankruptcy a 4th time. Who really wants that?, really ?

To all pro ''New Direction'' slate you offer different names but the problem still exists...is the
problem Randy.....think
*seek the truth* it's out there.

 

[orioleman]

Shocket,
"The stability within the airline industry is still shaky at best, this is the reason for merger mania, that and the cost of fuel. Why do we continue this division between the east and the west, everyone who does the same work should make the same hourly wage. Sorry if you don't think this is logical."


Funny when we started reneg for the t/a this airline industry was very stable and fuel prices were in the 50 dollar range. SO that theory doesn't fly..not to mention RECORD PROFITS.

as far as everyone should make the same wages.. Couldn't agree more.. the west should have been brought up long ago....NO problem with that at all.. BUT we SHOULD NOT


have to give anything.. and I repeat ANYTHING up to make that happen.

 

[The Shocker]

Back in the day he shouted Nelson down, and then he stood at the podium and allowed Armedio to get right in Nelson's face and do the same think.

That was the first and only time I ever saw Nelson. I don't agree with everything he's done, but he stayed professional while Canale and Armedio was in his face.

Canale was way out of line that day. It was clear he can't stand the heat. Time for him to get out of the kitchen.

When was it? Back in the Day? Or was it in Vegas? I thought Canale didn't have any b**ls ....shouted down Nelson? Nelson had to pull two guys off of DZ.

 

[GoldenRam94]

What would he have to do with the Phl 22 other than being from PHL? Who filed the DFR?

Armideo, Cornhole's pivot man was one of the PHL 22 as well as Boland the PHL Local President who finally had some gonads and stood up to him!

Do you see the problem folks! You've waited way too long to do this! We put these thugs in office and sat idly by while they did their dirty deeds!

 

[pjirish317]

People,
The real chance at the negotiations table is how well labor does in the federal elections this year. Canale is a true unionist and can mobilize people with just phone calls. Don't blame Randy for not being able to deliver a fair contract, blame Bush. How many of you have helped Randy and went to DC for our day of action? Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates senior workers who have been laid off? Do you think Randy really wanted to sign a contract that eliminates profit sharing and contracts out more jobs? Hell no he didn't! But with Bush in office, there is not much that Labor can do. Don't blame Randy, blame Bush.
Also, although I'm all for democracy, I think this district election is going to divide our group, I understand your concern but now isn't the time to make changes. If you want to make changes then don't change horses in the middle of the race. Wait for the merger activity to conclude, vote on a contract, and then address the internal matters of the union.
Try to understand the complexity and difficulty of merging two workgroups. I know Randy hasn't done everything right but remember, you have been through 3 bankruptcies and the last thing you want to do is to try to hold out for a better contract that will send your company back to bankruptcy a 4th time. Who really wants that?, really ?

To all pro ''New Direction'' slate you offer different names but the problem still exists...is the
problem Randy.....think
*seek the truth* it's out there.

Spoken like a true I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT team member. Spit out the koolaid. To blame the President of the United States is a little ridiculous is it not. Randy is this you? Saying the same thing over and over again, "not our fault, well not my fault, balme the President of the United States" Please. Due to the company's and the industries finacial heath, I am suprised that you did not throw that one in there also. Everything you posted was already said in the letter to Fleet Service. A letter sent by canoli. Also get your facts straight, it was only 2 bankruptcies not 3. So I ask you, why not change horses in the middle of the race? Get a horse in there that wont bow down to AH and dougweiser and take what is being offered, like canoli did. Especially when he said "this is the best we can do". Get a horse that will keep the concession stand closed, unlike canoli, who seems to open it anytime the company asks him to. Get a horse that will go in there to negotiate for the members not their ego. Remember who we are? We are the ones who pay the salaries of those supposed to look out for our best interest. Get a horse with some ba*@s to stand up to these guys. So to answer you question, YES the problem is Randy and his self-serving ways!

 

[seekthetruth]

pj and others...........
First off I'm not pointing at Bush as an individual but as the leader of an anti union
party. Randy, along with us, have had to endure 8 years of a goverment leaning to seperate
the middle class and the upper class. Although we have slipped, we have reasons, one of them
is not Randy. Surely you ,yourself, can't blame an individual (ie. Bush or Randy) but blame the
party not the person. Randy has fought admirably from day one. This ''new direction'' could go
negative. Change horses' not in the middle of a race....wait, patiently and we will see the true
leaders.
*seek the truth*

 

[pjirish317]

pj and others...........
First off I'm not pointing at Bush as an individual but as the leader of an anti union
party. Randy, along with us, have had to endure 8 years of a goverment leaning to seperate
the middle class and the upper class. Although we have slipped, we have reasons, one of them
is not Randy. Surely you ,yourself, can't blame an individual (ie. Bush or Randy) but blame the
party not the person. Randy has fought admirably from day one. This ''new direction'' could go
negative. Change horses' not in the middle of a race....wait, patiently and we will see the true
leaders.*seek the truth*

Wait patiently for what? Another substandard and concessionary T/A? IMO Randy is the problem! "The NEW DIRECTION could go negative"? What is that supposed to mean? It sure as HE!! could not get any worse. Randy has faught admirably from day 1 for himself andf his cronies. By this I mean since our SECOND bankruptcy, our union dues have gone up, Randy's and the AGC's salaries have gone up, and our pay has gone down. Can you explain that one? We have slipped, and one of the major reasons fot it, is people like you pointing fingers to the Presidentcy citing, it's not our fault, its the governments fault. I blame Canoli for not fighting for the past 2 1/2 years to merge the 2 operations. He shelved section 6 negotiations for the west. WHY? Because dougweiser told him to. Start pointing the finger where it needs to be pointed. At the I'LL ASK MAMANGEMENT, for not fighting for the members that pay their salaries!

 

[b737200]

If randy has been fighting for the fleet, then al would not demand a cost nuetral contract.
The new t/a would not be class 2 or class 1, the agc's would voice out not the three reps
from the hubs. It's easy for a guy who makes between eight to ten thousand a month
to tell you it's the best we can do.

Shut the negotiations down now, if they want to get serious then reopen, but our contract
is not up until 12-31-09. We don't have to dance at the beerfest but they want too.

TERMINATE THE NEGOTIATIONS NOW

 

[Districtforce]

Next week will be a pivotal week if fleet service wants to move forward or stay divided. You can even risk losing your job if you don't allow your company to transition. While it is true that your company desperately needs a transition, YOU need one also, so where is the leverage in that????

I believe sidebar discussions have been productive over the past couple weeks and the opportunity to vote on something that is better than what the company offered last month and similar to what the members mistakenly voted down in September may be coming back around. But you must not be divided on this and throw away one last opportunity. I'm convinced that Randy Canale will get the full support of the negotiations team and the future may very well be in your hands sooner than you think.

You can't allow one single individual to ruin your careers because of his personal ambitions and his breakroom attorney tactics. The difference between Randy Canale and Tim Nelson is clearly seen. Randy brought fleet service out of two chapter 11's. Randy was upfront and spoke truthfully to the members as Tim was spreading his newsletters of deceit.
Then with the America West merger, there was a real chance at a representation election in which everyone would have lost their representation. Randy's foresight enabled him to work closely with your company so there wouldn't be an election and he also secured an agreement with the TWU that would eliminate any need for an election. Tim was leading the TWU drive signing up cards to force an election so he could run a Teamster write-in campaign and be a Teamster boss. Randy sought to secure more members and preserve your rights of representation that protected your benefits and wages. If there was an election, you could have lost your contract, been reduced to non-union wages and benefits or all been contracted out.

That brings me to the industry consolidation that is going to take place rapidly. Have any of you noticed that the non-union carriers are teaming up with the union carriers? This is an orchestrated plan by the industry to eliminate representation and thousands of jobs. We do not have the leverage you think, now is the time to work with the company so we can live to fight another day. Tim Nelson is saying that you deserve more. I agree, but Randy's first responsibility is to secure our membership and YOUR representation rights. To do this, we have to work with the company in a way that will secure future recognition promises with a combined carrier. Your union wages and benefits will be at risk along with your right to representation. Looking ahead, there may only be 3 carriers left after consolidation and then we would have great leverage to fight, provided we secured a union industry first.
You have no leverage to fight in the midst of consolidation. You want to follow Tim Nelson, then good luck at the dance! Consolidation is going to happen quick and if you force your company out of a dance partner then you risk being left out of the industry but in chapter 11 or more likely chapter 7. Your company is a low cost carrier and has a business plan that practices cost neutral negotiations. You can't expect to get what you and I think is fair at this point. That being said, Randy Canale would love if he could get the gains that Nelson visions. Nelson talks big about the industry consolidation but he doesn't understand that if your company can't close out its labor deals then the investors won't step forward. Then you can all thank Tim Nelson when you all stand in line at Wall Mart with your Wall Mart application. One thing Tim is right about is that if fleet service doesn't sign on with the company's program to transition, then nobody is going to benefit and everyone's job will be at risk. See you at Walmart.

On a good note, many locals are now seeing that they need the merger experience of Randy Canale and are upset they nominated the No direction team. Randy's Board of Director experience also enables him to work through the tough issues with the officers of the company. The tides have turned and Nelson's deceit has now been revealed. Randy Canale has received the nominations of most of the small stations this past week and even Tampa has voiced their support for the entire Canale team this week, including all of the District's USair AGC's. Nelson puts all his local grabs on the internet but I believe that is to be divisive, the Canale team wants to bring members together and I doubt they pit station against station and broadcast who nominated who. Nominations and who did the nominations should be private only because it is divisive to pit one local against another.

 

[pjirish317]

Next week will be a pivotal week if fleet service wants to move forward or stay divided. You can even risk losing your job if you don't allow your company to transition. While it is true that your company desperately needs a transition, YOU need one also, so where is the leverage in that????

I believe sidebar discussions have been productive over the past couple weeks and the opportunity to vote on something that is better than what the company offered last month and similar to what the members mistakenly voted down in September may be coming back around. But you must not be divided on this and throw away one last opportunity. I'm convinced that Randy Canale will get the full support of the negotiations team and the future may very well be in your hands sooner than you think.

You can't allow one single individual to ruin your careers because of his personal ambitions and his breakroom attorney tactics. The difference between Randy Canale and Tim Nelson is clearly seen. Randy brought fleet service out of two chapter 11's. Randy was upfront and spoke truthfully to the members as Tim was spreading his newsletters of deceit.
Then with the America West merger, there was a real chance at a representation election in which everyone would have lost their representation. Randy's foresight enabled him to work closely with your company so there wouldn't be an election and he also secured an agreement with the TWU that would eliminate any need for an election. Tim was leading the TWU drive signing up cards to force an election so he could run a Teamster write-in campaign and be a Teamster boss. Randy sought to secure more members and preserve your rights of representation that protected your benefits and wages. If there was an election, you could have lost your contract, been reduced to non-union wages and benefits or all been contracted out.

That brings me to the industry consolidation that is going to take place rapidly. Have any of you noticed that the non-union carriers are teaming up with the union carriers? This is an orchestrated plan by the industry to eliminate representation and thousands of jobs. We do not have the leverage you think, now is the time to work with the company so we can live to fight another day. Tim Nelson is saying that you deserve more. I agree, but Randy's first responsibility is to secure our membership and YOUR representation rights. To do this, we have to work with the company in a way that will secure future recognition promises with a combined carrier. Your union wages and benefits will be at risk along with your right to representation. Looking ahead, there may only be 3 carriers left after consolidation and then we would have great leverage to fight, provided we secured a union industry first.
You have no leverage to fight in the midst of consolidation. You want to follow Tim Nelson, then good luck at the dance! Consolidation is going to happen quick and if you force your company out of a dance partner then you risk being left out of the industry but in chapter 11 or more likely chapter 7. Your company is a low cost carrier and has a business plan that practices cost neutral negotiations. You can't expect to get what you and I think is fair at this point. That being said, Randy Canale would love if he could get the gains that Nelson visions. Nelson talks big about the industry consolidation but he doesn't understand that if your company can't close out its labor deals then the investors won't step forward. Then you can all thank Tim Nelson when you all stand in line at Wall Mart with your Wall Mart application. One thing Tim is right about is that if fleet service doesn't sign on with the company's program to transition, then nobody is going to benefit and everyone's job will be at risk. See you at Walmart.

On a good note, many locals are now seeing that they need the merger experience of Randy Canale and are upset they nominated the No direction team. Randy's Board of Director experience also enables him to work through the tough issues with the officers of the company. The tides have turned and Nelson's deceit has now been revealed. Randy Canale has received the nominations of most of the small stations this past week and even Tampa has voiced their support for the entire Canale team this week, including all of the District's USair AGC's. Nelson puts all his local grabs on the internet but I believe that is to be divisive, the Canale team wants to bring members together and I doubt they pit station against station and broadcast who nominated who. Nominations and who did the nominations should be private only because it is divisive to pit one local against another.

Then why did he shelve section 6 negotiations for the west? Why has our dues gone up, while our pay goes down? The IAM is paying the TWU somewhere around $20,000 a month as donations for not having a representation election. OTOH Randy did not bring us out of 2 bk's the members did! All Randy did was not fight and forced this POS CBA we have down out throats. Yes we did vote it in, only because if we did not, no union representation. He continually throws jobs under the bus, and did so with this last T/A. If the next T/A looks anything like the last on that we voted down, I hope it gets voted down again. Fleet Service's concession stand is closed now, and canoli can't re-open it without the consent of us, the members. Instead of siding with the company, maybee he should side with the members for once. Cost neutral my butt. Oh and it will not just be Fleet Service's fault if we do not get an agreement. There are other work groups that are in worse shape than us. So please, save the blame game for someone else. BTW how has he secured and fought for our rights? Randy is in this for Randy and no one else period.