IAM Thread for the week of 2/19-2/26

[Theo Corner]

The stability within the airline industry is still shaky at best, this is the reason for merger mania, that and the cost of fuel. Why do we continue this division between the east and the west, everyone who does the same work should make the same hourly wage. Sorry if you don't think this is logical.

Funny you should say that... The current Agreement we have does not believe in equal work for equal pay. That was not East vs. West., that was Hubs vs. the rest of the airline. And of course, Canoli added just enough small stations to the Class I group to get it passed. The leadership Canoli should then proved what a horse's a$$ he really is. For him, it is now and always has been about his pockets being lined. I would not pi$$ on him if he was on fire. I am so tired of being thrown under the bus so that an agreement can go through.

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[Rook]

Shocker....
Explain why Canale was willing to give up Profit sharing?
Answer: So he and all his cronies could have postive space first class flying on us!!!! True or false???

 

[Tim Nelson]

Shocker....
Explain why Canale was willing to give up Profit sharing?
Answer: So he and all his cronies could have postive space first class flying on us!!!! True or false???

The truth of the mater is that shocker is starting to sound like someone who really isn't even a player or remotely associated with Canale. The process of the RLA does not require Canale to bring back any offer, whether so-called final or not. Nobody in the real Canale camp would make such an ingorant statement. I suspect our boy shocker is some disgruntled employee who just decided to stir stuff up since his inaccuracies about the RLA are juvenile in nature.

Also, he points to the contract that was voted down and quotes language that he interprets inaccurate. Even Canale knows what he signed.

These Canale supporters just continually get 'rooted out' on here and they always resort to personal attacks on individuals and the membership. I have given Shocker 24 hours to respond to my question about what Canale has actually done for the membership but all he has done is reveal that he is just a novice contract reader and can't peg one thing that Canale has actually done.

I ask anyone, exactly what has Canale done? Just give me one thing, just one? Answer the question or stop 'kissing the pinky' of Canale.

DL141 Update: United's EWR local voted unanimously for Delaney as Canale didn't get one vote. EWR is a large station for United 'B" size like JFK, IAD. This was a great grab for the NEW DIRECTION TEAM and like all of our local grabs, we are dominating with over 90% of the vote. We are still trying to hit the 20,000 member mark out of 25,000 but the Locals are winding down now. Looks like we will pick up 17,000-18,000 members and that leaves Canale with 8,000. A senselsss beating is going on as the scoreboard doesn't lie. And if Canale has done so good at United then why is the NEW DIRECTION TEAM not only 'dominating' on the USAIRWAYS side, but also winning with the vast majority on the United side? Is it because the members are stupid or because Parker's boy has done a rather poor job?

Let's face it, if he has done a good job, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[The Janitor]

The truth of the mater is that shocker is starting to sound like someone who really isn't even a player or remotely associated with Canale. The process of the RLA does not require Canale to bring back any offer, whether so-called final or not. Nobody in the real Canale camp would make such an ingorant statement. I suspect our boy shocker is some disgruntled employee who just decided to stir stuff up since his inaccuracies about the RLA are juvenile in nature.

Also, he points to the contract that was voted down and quotes language that he interprets inaccurate. Even Canale knows what he signed.

These Canale supporters just continually get 'rooted out' on here and they always resort to personal attacks on individuals and the membership. I have given Shocker 24 hours to respond to my question about what Canale has actually done for the membership but all he has done is reveal that he is just a novice contract reader and can't peg one thing that Canale has actually done.

I ask anyone, exactly what has Canale done? Just give me one thing, just one? Answer the question or stop 'kissing the pinky' of Canale.

DL141 Update: United's EWR local voted unanimously for Delaney as Canale didn't get one vote. EWR is a large station for United 'B" size like JFK, IAD. This was a great grab for the NEW DIRECTION TEAM and like all of our local grabs, we are dominating with over 90% of the vote. We are still trying to hit the 20,000 member mark out of 25,000 but the Locals are winding down now. Looks like we will pick up 17,000-18,000 members and that leaves Canale with 8,000. A senselsss beating is going on as the scoreboard doesn't lie. And if Canale has done so good at United then why is the NEW DIRECTION TEAM not only 'dominating' on the USAIRWAYS side, but also winning with the vast majority on the United side? Is it because the members are stupid or because Parker's boy has done a rather poor job?

Let's face it, if he has done a good job, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Nelson, keep doing what you're doing. Stay focused on the issues and don't get bogged down with posters like shocker. There is nothing more deserved than for Randy to get voted out. I've worked with him and the things he says behind the doors awakened me that he doesn't care about members at all. If you disagree with him in negotiations then you can kiss your political career goodbye.
I have been keeping up with these nominations and I wanted to say thanks for bringing this about. I know it's alot of time and effort and you take a drilling on here for doing it. Also, want to let you know that I heard the IAM INTL is trying to remove you from your post so keep your eyes open. Heard you might be removed by next week after the POC. Canale's been pushing Roach and Brickner on it because he's pissed that you're posting on here as a Local Chairman.

Just keep bringing the information, the members know what's going on and will make the right decision. I haven't worked with Delaney much but his heart is with the working man. Any experience he lacks will be made up by those he has surrounded himself with. Rich always has surrounded himself with solid guys, unlike Randy who picks the weakest of the bunch to be around him. Dave A will be an incredible second man for Rich. He's one of the most passionate members I have been around plus he's sharp as a tac. Randy is different, if you're a strong member, Randy will send you packing.

Nelson, do you know if Rich Delaney is going to accept the Board seat at United Airlines if he's elected? I peronally think this is a real conflict of interest and I remember many of us felt that being on the board would actually be a negative. What's his take on this?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson, keep doing what you're doing. Stay focused on the issues and don't get bogged down with posters like shocker. There is nothing more deserved than for Randy to get voted out. I've worked with him and the things he says behind the doors awakened me that he doesn't care about members at all. If you disagree with him in negotiations then you can kiss your political career goodbye.
I have been keeping up with these nominations and I wanted to say thanks for bringing this about. I know it's alot of time and effort and you take a drilling on here for doing it. Also, want to let you know that I heard the IAM INTL is trying to remove you from your post so keep your eyes open. Heard you might be removed by next week after the POC. Canale's been pushing Roach and Brickner on it because he's pissed that you're posting on here as a Local Chairman.

Just keep bringing the information, the members know what's going on and will make the right decision. I haven't worked with Delaney much but his heart is with the working man. Any experience he lacks will be made up by those he has surrounded himself with. Rich always has surrounded himself with solid guys, unlike Randy who picks the weakest of the bunch to be around him. Dave A will be an incredible second man for Rich. He's one of the most passionate members I have been around plus he's sharp as a tac. Randy is different, if you're a strong member, Randy will send you packing.

Nelson, do you know if Rich Delaney is going to accept the Board seat at United Airlines if he's elected? I peronally think this is a real conflict of interest and I remember many of us felt that being on the board would actually be a negative. What's his take on this?

I have spoken to Rich about the United Airline Board seat and I believe his position was that he isn't going to take the position because it is a conflict of interest for him and he's not impressed with 'kissing the pinky' of Tilton. Don't quote me on it but I think that's his position. I was actually discussing that casually with Rich and a few members of the team at a get together and I'm pretty sure Rich said he will decline being on the United Board of Directors. I'll get a confirmation on that though.

Thanks for the kind words.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago [for now]

 

[b737200]

Just found out who the shocker is......now working on getting the home phone number,
photos and comments to the spouse will end it all tonight.
(WORD GETS A AROUND) conventions are like soap opera's nothing but dirt and fun when no ones watching. thank god for the digital cam!

 

[necigrad]

That is exactly how the ND team conducts business and will run this union. Threats and intimidation. I have said it and will continue to say it. Canale conducts his business professionally and Delaney and the ND team with the help of their newly awarded Chairman Tim Nelson will use any means necessary to try and win this election. Thats not how a union member or leader should behave making comments such as this.

Delaney and his gang of goons will be exposed for who they really are during this election and this comment above is just the tip of the iceberg of how they would act.

Funny you should say that. Canale was the one who literally shouted "I DON'T CARE" when asked about his perspective of a situation. If that is professional, I'm scared to death about what else you consider professional. Everything you accuse the New Direction team of Canale has done. He's yelled at a member, refused to represent the West... I NEVER saw the man in the two years he's represented me, until he showed up at a union meeting conviently on the exact same night as the nominations. I also wonder if he had anything to do with the PHL 22. No, I am NOT making the accusation.

Canale is so disconnected from the membership it's appaling. He has made a travesty of the term fair representation and I look forward to the day I hear that he's in court for a DFR charge.

 

[seekthetruth]

Well lets see how long before you all bang me ? This may not be the time to turn away from Randy.
He has major influences in Washington DC and we are but a part of this major labor movement. Also
we must know that Randy is one of the few people that sit on the Pa Labor Board and is organizing
skills are a-one, just watch, he may have his sights set on CO. He works diligently in keeping our
union alive and moving, like the pursuit of DL. Bottom line S. ''Randy'' Canale has what it is going to
take to move us forward, in that DIRECTION, he has and will always have a major influence in Wash. DC
and PA. You all speak of his UA Board seat as a negative , this could be a foot in the door for us somewhere down the road and remember he represents all of us. All of us. To the posters like Tim,
there are supporters, were here, we read your posts unbiased do you read ours...We'll see.
*seek the truth* it's out there.

 

[necigrad]

You know the one thing I dont undersatnd is you say Canale appoved this and that in the contract, but I wonder how many out there of you actually voted for this current contract. My guess is everyone of you did. I will tell you this I did not vote for this current contract and I voted to stike.
So just remember we are where we are becasue noone had ti guts back than to vote this contract down back than. Its a piece of crap and always has been thats why I could not vote for it.
Now did I vote for the T/A I did I feel it was a chance to move forward to even something better in the future, and give my west brothers a chance at a future since most are younger than I and have more work in there future.
So say all you want but we have what we have becasue we voted for it.

I'll admit to voting for it. From my perspective it was the best option for me. My math showed me losing $350 a check by not being on the East contract (obviously I'm a West employee), so it was a very reasonable attempt to get that. I voted knowing it was a crap TA. But that was the one chance with me. I will not even consider voting for another TA unless it has a $24 top out (which it won't) or retro to the date the West agreement was ammendable (about as unlikely). Even then I will only consider the TA, not necessarily vote for it.

I think voting it down did have something to do with the COC because everyone was saying vote it down and lets take our chance with the arbitrator.

You better talk to your boss Canale. He insists it was voted down because the '07 PS was forefitted in that agreement. Dunno what kind of crack you need to smoke to see that, but at over $100K/year Canale can afford the good stuff.

 

[The Janitor]

Well lets see how long before you all bang me ? This may not be the time to turn away from Randy.
He has major influences in Washington DC and we are but a part of this major labor movement. Also
we must know that Randy is one of the few people that sit on the Pa Labor Board and is organizing
skills are a-one, just watch, he may have his sights set on CO. He works diligently in keeping our
union alive and moving, like the pursuit of DL. Bottom line S. ''Randy'' Canale has what it is going to
take to move us forward, in that DIRECTION, he has and will always have a major influence in Wash. DC
and PA. You all speak of his UA Board seat as a negative , this could be a foot in the door for us somewhere down the road and remember he represents all of us. All of us. To the posters like Tim,
there are supporters, were here, we read your posts unbiased do you read ours...We'll see.
*seek the truth* it's out there.

Randy is well respected in PA politics but what does that have to do with the USair people? I remember Randy and DL141 winning awards for their political action and fund raising capabilities for the IAM and the democrats we supported. I'm sure the United Board of Directors also feel comfortable with him. He is the master politician so don't put it past him to support a United merger and get some politicians to support it and at the same time hold back on merger language that protects those he represents. Try being on his executive board, everyone knew they had to contribute to politics, it was always about the money with him.

Are you saying that the USair members should sacrifice and keep Randy so they can be sure Obama beats McCain? What's your point?

 

[Theo Corner]

Well lets see how long before you all bang me ? This may not be the time to turn away from Randy.
He has major influences in Washington DC and we are but a part of this major labor movement. Also
we must know that Randy is one of the few people that sit on the Pa Labor Board and is organizing
skills are a-one, just watch, he may have his sights set on CO. He works diligently in keeping our
union alive and moving, like the pursuit of DL. Bottom line S. ''Randy'' Canale has what it is going to
take to move us forward, in that DIRECTION, he has and will always have a major influence in Wash. DC
and PA. You all speak of his UA Board seat as a negative , this could be a foot in the door for us somewhere down the road and remember he represents all of us. All of us. To the posters like Tim,
there are supporters, were here, we read your posts unbiased do you read ours...We'll see.
*seek the truth* it's out there.

Looks like about 22 minutes... lol

I would be more than glad to keep Canoli as an organizer for this union. He might be the greatest organizer in history. Unfortunately, organizing a union does not mean you can SERVICE a contract and we all know that Canoli cannot SERVICE anything... (Insert own joke here).

We need someone in the leadership role who can lead the union. We need someone that can service this contract. We need Rich Delaney not the organizer Randy Canale. I do not need people like Randy Canale telling me who to vote for as President. I need someone to fight for me at the negotiating table, not trying to elect a President.

BTW, if you are seeking the truth, the X-Files are in reruns... lol

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[roadtrip]

Last i checked, canale hasn't organized squat. His P K organizor has struck out in organizing anything over the table but from what I've heard does wonders below it.

Word does get around!

 

[Theo Corner]

Last i checked, canale hasn't organized squat. His P K has struck out in organizing anything over the table but from what I've heard does wonders below it.

Word does get around!

Roadtrip, I was being facitious about him organizing. I just want him out the President of the District chair!

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[redeye]

When any company presents the final offer that's what it is final. I chief negotiator is obligated under the RLA to bring it back for a vote (publicly). What if he told the company to shove it, and that is what the majority of the voting members wanted. We were not allowed to strike under RLA because these were not traditional negotiations, we were in negotiations to merge the east with the west. We did not go on strike for both of the bankruptcy agreements because they were voted in. Let's say a contract during "Traditional" negotiations there would have been the 30 day cooling off period, then we had to ask the President of the United States and ask his permission to go on strike, then he turns it over to a committee call the Presidental Emergency Board the (PEB) which he personally appoints, and then PEB holds hearings to listen to both sides then makes their decision. Otherwise walking off the job is considered an illegal wild cat strike.

I read this and get an image in my head of a short
circuited robot banging in to walls, back and fourth.

When the Company presents a "final offer", it is voted
down, and the Company gives an invitation back into
negotiations, it was not a "final" offer. Final offer is used
as a spin to give someone who does not know better
an illusion that there is an end to bargaining. This creates
an urgency to take what is offered by the huddled masses.

We are no longer huddled masses. We have the ability to
make informed decisions. We will no longer allow the powers
that be to separate us and pit us against each other.
Did you notice the manipulation of the vote during the last
T/A. Sorry I forgot you dont work for US Airways. Canale
went for the weakest places first. By weak I mean mis-informed.
People who are desperate for a meaningful wage are more
likely to not see beyond the big figure only to see that in the
end it was not so big. "Smoke and mirrors"
Solidarity prevailed and it was shot down. That was then and
this is now. Behind the scenes the fleet workers have been
meeting sharing information and all getting on the same page.
We are more solid than ever. Its our turn now.
The only thing we better hear out of Randy's mouth is "This is
what the membership that I represent expects!" If he can not
learn that his job is to represent "us", he needs to go.


Thanks,

 

[mike33]

*seek the truth* it's out there.

One doesn't need to "seek the truth" when ur living it.
I hate to keep bringing up the 60 day rule but it wasn't eliminated for all and we all know that.
I believe it was put in place as a protection for the HP work force in the stations that ended up being contracted out.
Something tells me, and for good reason, that all this was thought out before BK2. It's just to easy to see that the 60 day rule was developed as a "Seniority
Replacement to protect the west in the merger. When you look at the years of service of the furloughed US compared to the working west, you can see how it would benefit the CO to get rid of the people at the 19 stations. You can't blame the CO for putting it in to make the numbers they needed
look" Investable "?
I blame the union for letting the language stick. Look at the deception they threw at us in a summary for us to mull over:


60 day rule eliminated.

It's on the IAM website called a " Tentative Agreement Summary 8/10/07. Then the final came out and they thought our attention was on other language because the above said it was gone!!!!!!!!

But guess what.....add a few words here and there and WHALAH!!!!!!!
" Complete Terms of Agreement 8/14/2007...........................4 DAYS LATER!!!T%^$%%
7. Article 7 (Seniority)

• Effective on date of ratification the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that
occur after that date. [/u
INTENTIONAL DECEPTION!!!!!!

I can deceive myself for free with my ignorance, I don't need to pay you $$ to do it for me