IAM Thread for the week of 2/19-2/26

[The Bagfather]

When any company presents the final offer that's what it is final. I chief negotiator is obligated under the RLA to bring it back for a vote (publicly). What if he told the company to shove it, and that is what the majority of the voting members wanted. We were not allowed to strike under RLA because these were not traditional negotiations, we were in negotiations to merge the east with the west. We did not go on strike for both of the bankruptcy agreements because they were voted in. Let's say a contract during "Traditional" negotiations there would have been the 30 day cooling off period, then we had to ask the President of the United States and ask his permission to go on strike, then he turns it over to a committee call the Presidental Emergency Board the (PEB) which he personally appoints, and then PEB holds hearings to listen to both sides then makes their decision. Otherwise walking off the job is considered an illegal wild cat strike.

Sorry dude that's Canardly Double talk. Did Canardly not tout that TA as something
good. Remember "Some getting as much as a 22% raise"? Nevermind that group
was pitifully underpaid to begin with. Except for this forum that TA might have
passed with both the union and the company totally content. But not 64% of
FS. Thanks for your history lesson on negotiations. Why didn't we use them?
Why don't we use it right now?

My belief is that the union leadership has an obligation to educate. Why didn't
Canardly try to educate the PHX guys? Answere: I don't know. Mabey he
thought it would be too much trouble so instead he promotes the the Pile
of cr@p TA. If he's right about this being tough times for FS then we'll
wait. Every day that goes by strenthens out possition. Closer to the "other"
section 6 that you seem to understand.

Thanks BF

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sorry dude that's Canardly Double talk. Did Canardly not tout that TA as something
good. Remember "Some getting as much as a 22% raise"? Nevermind that group
was pitifully underpaid to begin with. Except for this forum that TA might have
passed with both the union and the company totally content. But not 64% of
FS. Thanks for your history lesson on negotiations. Why didn't we use them?
Why don't we use it right now?

My belief is that the union leadership has an obligation to educate. Why didn't
Canardly try to educate the PHX guys? Answere: I don't know. Mabey he
thought it would be too much trouble so instead he promotes the the Pile
of cr@p TA. If he's right about this being tough times for FS then we'll
wait. Every day that goes by strenthens out possition. Closer to the "other"
section 6 that you seem to understand.

Thanks BF

They should educate but they don't. They just try to stir up fear with their devilish schemes.
Before DZ 'kissed the pinky' of Canale he wasn't a bad guy but sometimes the idea of potential money corrupts good people. DZ came to Chicago and was allowed to speak until he said if the contract was voted down then the company is going to say 'screw you'. There was no education during his presentation and he didn't go over the cost of each concession. Was poorly prepared. ORD was already educated ahead of DZ's game. At this point I stepped in and got in his grill, and told him we were done listening to his Bu## Sh## story. He's lucky I kept a few guys from tossing him out of the room. At any rate, the bottom line is that when you represent members you must tell them the truth, not blow smoke up their arse like DZ did. I told the members that the company will DEFINATELY be back to the table because they have to be. I wasn't a prophet, I was just looking up at the scoreboard. And the company has come back and back again. Hopefully, Al learned a thing or two but if he didn't then he will have to keep coming back and back again.
At any rate, anyone who comes into your breakroom and talks down to your people with lies and deceit should be 'approached'. Screw the district officers if they come to 'your house' and start their bull sh** stories. They are not your friends and should not be shown respect if they start playing their Bu## Sh## games.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[The Shocker]

The truth of the mater is that shocker is starting to sound like someone who really isn't even a player or remotely associated with Canale. The process of the RLA does not require Canale to bring back any offer, whether so-called final or not. Nobody in the real Canale camp would make such an ingorant statement. I suspect our boy shocker is some disgruntled employee who just decided to stir stuff up since his inaccuracies about the RLA are juvenile in nature.

Also, he points to the contract that was voted down and quotes language that he interprets inaccurate. Even Canale knows what he signed.

These Canale supporters just continually get 'rooted out' on here and they always resort to personal attacks on individuals and the membership. I have given Shocker 24 hours to respond to my question about what Canale has actually done for the membership but all he has done is reveal that he is just a novice contract reader and can't peg one thing that Canale has actually done.

I ask anyone, exactly what has Canale done? Just give me one thing, just one? Answer the question or stop 'kissing the pinky' of Canale.

DL141 Update: United's EWR local voted unanimously for Delaney as Canale didn't get one vote. EWR is a large station for United 'B" size like JFK, IAD. This was a great grab for the NEW DIRECTION TEAM and like all of our local grabs, we are dominating with over 90% of the vote. We are still trying to hit the 20,000 member mark out of 25,000 but the Locals are winding down now. Looks like we will pick up 17,000-18,000 members and that leaves Canale with 8,000. A senselsss beating is going on as the scoreboard doesn't lie. And if Canale has done so good at United then why is the NEW DIRECTION TEAM not only 'dominating' on the USAIRWAYS side, but also winning with the vast majority on the United side? Is it because the members are stupid or because Parker's boy has done a rather poor job?

Let's face it, if he has done a good job, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

If that was sincerely true why did you stop posting the numbers Tim?

 

[The Bagfather]

Well lets see how long before you all bang me ? This may not be the time to turn away from Randy.
He has major influences in Washington DC and we are but a part of this major labor movement. Also
we must know that Randy is one of the few people that sit on the Pa Labor Board and is organizing
skills are a-one, just watch, he may have his sights set on CO. He works diligently in keeping our
union alive and moving, like the pursuit of DL. Bottom line S. ''Randy'' Canale has what it is going to
take to move us forward, in that DIRECTION, he has and will always have a major influence in Wash. DC
and PA. You all speak of his UA Board seat as a negative , this could be a foot in the door for us somewhere down the road and remember he represents all of us. All of us. To the posters like Tim,
there are supporters, were here, we read your posts unbiased do you read ours...We'll see.
*seek the truth* it's out there.

I read your post. Thank you for stating your position so humbly. I'm not
going to "bang on you" but unfortunately the more I hear about Canardly
the more I believe he is the wrong man for this job. Maybe If he's
booted out he can pursue something more in line with his talents. He's
completely lost touch with his roots.

Now should you not have been swayed by my arguments and think
Canardly serves both himself and us in his current roll I offer this
campaign slogen. "Canardly Can Hardly 2008" "Arrogance Unchained".

But really hearing this kind of thing makes me steam. Because this guy
some sort of folk hero in Labor Politics I'm supposed to be impressed?
It sounds like his own personel agenda whether it be noble or purely
selfish has gotten out of hand. What I want is someone who has a bit
more researve. Someone who won't pannic. Someone who can delegate
authority to those with specific talents. Thank you BF.

can-ard / n. (to cheat, lit. to half-sell ducks): a false or unfounded
report or story: especially a fabricated report.

(Reference the Messenger and the TA.)

 

[The Shocker]

They should educate but they don't. They just try to stir up fear with their devilish schemes.
Before DZ 'kissed the pinky' of Canale he wasn't a bad guy but sometimes the idea of potential money corrupts good people. DZ came to Chicago and was allowed to speak until he said if the contract was voted down then the company is going to say 'screw you'. There was no education during his presentation and he didn't go over the cost of each concession. Was poorly prepared. ORD was already educated ahead of DZ's game. At this point I stepped in and got in his grill, and told him we were done listening to his Bu## Sh## story. He's lucky I kept a few guys from tossing him out of the room. At any rate, the bottom line is that when you represent members you must tell them the truth, not blow smoke up their arse like DZ did. I told the members that the company will DEFINATELY be back to the table because they have to be. I wasn't a prophet, I was just looking up at the scoreboard. And the company has come back and back again. Hopefully, Al learned a thing or two but if he didn't then he will have to keep coming back and back again.
At any rate, anyone who comes into your breakroom and talks down to your people with lies and deceit should be 'approached'. Screw the district officers if they come to 'your house' and start their bull sh** stories. They are not your friends and should not be shown respect if they start playing their Bu## Sh## games.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Thank God you were there to protect DZ what would he have done without you there? You really need to calm down this isn't personal.

 

[diogenes]

For all of the FS folks furloughed in 2005 and 2006, the 60 day rule is in effect. They can return from furlough, but if they do, their seniority is reset to zero. IAM FS (Canale's baliwick) was the ONLY represented group that had this concession imposed on them. Not ALPA, AFA, CWA or IAM M&R. I am unaware of any such terms at any other carrier, as well.

That alone is reason enough to oust Canale. Don't try to BS about a 'final offer' - Canale and Armedio spent the bulk of the information meeting bragging about how they had improved the final offer.

They did not spend one iota of time on strike prep, which we could have done (the contract was being abrogated, for God's sake - if you don't strike then, what's the point?), but US won the game of chicken with IAM. I was willing to bet, and voted, the company would flinch first - no way would they have gone Chapt 7.

During the last t/a, the language did not bring the 2005/2006 furloughees back - they still would have to come back at zero seniority.

IAM FS went back further than IAM M&R, CWA, AFA and ALPA. IAM FS is in worse condition than FS at UA, NW and DL, all of which went thru BK.

On what basis would you retain Canale and his hangers-on? You'd do better to have no leadership, post negotiating options on a cork board and let a monkey throw a dart at it. You'd have a better chance of getting an effective strategy.

Moreover, Canale had an inherent conflict of interest sitting on UA's BOD while representing US fleet during the merger talks. The only way the company allowed that to flush was it was in their interests.

Enough, already!

 

[The Shocker]

Funny you should say that. Canale was the one who literally shouted "I DON'T CARE" when asked about his perspective of a situation. If that is professional, I'm scared to death about what else you consider professional. Everything you accuse the New Direction team of Canale has done. He's yelled at a member, refused to represent the West... I NEVER saw the man in the two years he's represented me, until he showed up at a union meeting conviently on the exact same night as the nominations. I also wonder if he had anything to do with the PHL 22. No, I am NOT making the accusation.

Canale is so disconnected from the membership it's appaling. He has made a travesty of the term fair representation and I look forward to the day I hear that he's in court for a DFR charge.

When did Canale do that? What was the situation?What member did he yell at? Who did he refuse to represent in the West? What would he have to do with the Phl 22 other than being from PHL? Who filed the DFR?

 

[diogenes]

Back in the day he shouted Nelson down, and then he stood at the podium and allowed Armedio to get right in Nelson's face and do the same think.

That was the first and only time I ever saw Nelson. I don't agree with everything he's done, but he stayed professional while Canale and Armedio was in his face.

Canale was way out of line that day. It was clear he can't stand the heat. Time for him to get out of the kitchen.

 

[The Shocker]

Just found out who the shocker is......now working on getting the home phone number,
photos and comments to the spouse will end it all tonight.
(WORD GETS A AROUND) conventions are like soap opera's nothing but dirt and fun when no ones watching. thank god for the digital cam!

Dude bring it on... while your at it why don't you post it on this site. It's pretty pathetic that these are the tactics the ND resort to. My record's clean what about yours?

 

[mike33]

Dude bring it on... while your at it why don't you post it on this site. It's pretty pathetic that these are the tactics the ND resort to. My record's clean what about yours?

Hoe ...Hummm .....Martyrdom! Take one for the team.....rrrr ight!

 

[mike33]

It's pretty pathetic that these are the tactics the ND resort to. My record's clean what about yours?

Was that a proper tactical video of Delaney you posted last nite? Now that was pathetic after calling out " Debate"

 

[Hadenough]

The floor is yours Shocker. Persuade us why we should keep Canale and his bunch of minions. Please do tell us how our lives are so much better under his misleadership. Nothing about the New Direction Slate or Tim. Just try to give us something positive that Canale has done for the membership. One thing and we will start there.

I am still waiting on an answer to this.

 

[Planemx]

For all of the FS folks furloughed in 2005 and 2006, the 60 day rule is in effect. They can return from furlough, but if they do, their seniority is reset to zero. IAM FS (Canale's baliwick) was the ONLY represented group that had this concession imposed on them. Not ALPA, AFA, CWA or IAM M&R. I am unaware of any such terms at any other carrier, as well.

That alone is reason enough to oust Canale. Don't try to BS about a 'final offer' - Canale and Armedio spent the bulk of the information meeting bragging about how they had improved the final offer.

They did not spend one iota of time on strike prep, which we could have done (the contract was being abrogated, for God's sake - if you don't strike then, what's the point?), but US won the game of chicken with IAM. I was willing to bet, and voted, the company would flinch first - no way would they have gone Chapt 7.

During the last t/a, the language did not bring the 2005/2006 furloughees back - they still would have to come back at zero seniority.

IAM FS went back further than IAM M&R, CWA, AFA and ALPA. IAM FS is in worse condition than FS at UA, NW and DL, all of which went thru BK.

On what basis would you retain Canale and his hangers-on? You'd do better to have no leadership, post negotiating options on a cork board and let a monkey throw a dart at it. You'd have a better chance of getting an effective strategy.

Moreover, Canale had an inherent conflict of interest sitting on UA's BOD while representing US fleet during the merger talks. The only way the company allowed that to flush was it was in their interests.

Enough, already!

The M&R wording is similar when it comes to furloughed guys....it just doesn't give a deadline (unlike the FS) and then have to extend it (probably behind closed doors - and under a desk).

 

[Tim Nelson]

If that was sincerely true why did you stop posting the numbers Tim?

What are you talking about?

At any rate, your first post was semi sensible and you baited me to debate you and I did BUT now you are just being a goofus and have nothing to further the conversation. 141 had a position that was debatable with his first post but then he flipped out with degrading pics of obama perverting the US flag. Your first post seemed almost sincere but then you flipped out with goofy videos and now are just rambling with nonsensical questions. I think you're 141 all over again.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

They should educate but they don't. They just try to stir up fear with their devilish schemes.

Fear has become the ultimate tool of this Company and Canale.

Agent "V"