How long are you really a Reserve in the East?

[AstroLounge]

Did you just fire off a blast at THE MIGHTY MRS. SIMONE? Ewwww, careful she might take that silk scarf and choke you with it. It goes to show you it's not what you know it's who you know. From the Eat and Park to popping Sodas at the PIT USAir Club to Inflight....and now Director in PHX. She will mostly likey bump out Sherry Shambles in no time. Keep slithering Cindi

Personally, I'd like to tie a knot in one of those scarves AOUND HER NECK. Lorena Helmsley may have been the "Queen of Mean" but CS isn't far behind. (And she has been the butt of jokes from many former classmates at the reknowned Moon HS).

 

[Twicebaked]

It stays this way because their is no movement from the top. There is no growth either. PHL is the only base that has an influx and that is because of all the seaonal flying to Europe beginning APR/MAY ending SEP/OCT.

CLT is getting some additional flying time, however at the expense of PHL. They are moving all of the 757/767 domestic time out of PHL and putting some of it into CLT. PHL will lose primary lines and CLT will gain primary lines.

Instead of a fence, can anyone say BUY-OUT?

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been bugging Flores for some time about that and the general attitude is NO!!!!!!

Go figure..do ANYTHING to help out reserves? We won't hear of it!!!!!

 

[FlyOnWall]

Isn't the major obvious thing that Usair is never supposed to again with the current business plan? There won't be any growth and attrition is slow. That is why anyone who is reserve now will pretty much always be. Two things need to be done. Number one is a like said a buyout. People don't want to be there don't want to commute throw some money at them and bring back lower scale furloughs and new hires. Number two is ALPA and AFA should change the scope clause in the next CBAs. go back to only 50 seats for jets and 70 for props at Express. Mainline flies the E-90 they should be flying the E-70 and E-75 too. If the company refuses to grow then the unions need to take back existing flying with those planes and all those Mesa jets too. Maybe it's not as exciting as widebodys but it's blocks of time on mainline size planes that someone else is flying while you guys sit in the same position for the next decade. With half of your seniority list furloughed. The unions need to be creative in ways to get the list moving on both ends. Is that something anyone has considered or are the unions really too dumb?

 

[l8rd8r]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, AWA F/A's beginning pay is s&IT so everyone leaves. Attrition (turn over) is high. No dollar value in staying with AWA. USAirways F/A's (most all) have top out at the highest pay from staying on as employees. As the company stagnated many left for other jobs but, still no hiring for years left a very senior group of f/a's. I've got almost 30 years and live in San. I'm very junior as a commuter.

 

[Furloughd4now]

Again, they cannot hire until they recall thier existing F/As on the east. Technically there are almost twice as many F/As as there are actually active ones. Realisticaly, a few more small recalls might reach the bottom the involuntary furlough list, or April 2001, which if I remeber correctly from MDA was the last class hire date. If and when that happened, they would then have to begin recalling voluntary furlough F/As, which number in the thousands.

I thought the list went to June 2001 and at the rate we are going with recalls it will take foever to gett all furloughs back on line. I am 01/01 and there is still almost 1,000 below (with voluntary now added beneath us)

 

[WCT]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, AWA F/A's beginning pay is s&IT so everyone leaves. Attrition (turn over) is high. No dollar value in staying with AWA. USAirways F/A's (most all) have top out at the highest pay from staying on as employees. As the company stagnated many left for other jobs but, still no hiring for years left a very senior group of f/a's. I've got almost 30 years and live in San. I'm very junior as a commuter.

So will you be joining us in Phoenix?

 

[EMBFA]

Doing a little bit of research with the July 07 US Airways seniority list.

* Good old Bette is still there in DCA as most senior with a hire date of 04 November 1957.

* Most junior active is seniority 06716, 02 April 2001 hire, BOS based.

* Last new hire class was 25 June 01, although there is one supervisor with a 02 JUL 01 date.

* The US Airways East seniority list has 7656 F/As on it, but this includes VFLRs who can be disregarded as they are there for paperwork reasons only. Really for all intensive purposes the list is 7039 total flight attendants.


Here's the breakdown of US Airways flight attendants:

2749 PHL
1680 CLT
466 DCA
278 BOS
223 LGA
180 PIT
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5576 Active East F/As


So that gives us:

5576 Active East F/As
2576 America West F/As
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8152 Active F/As (east and west)

1454 Furloughed F/As (IF and VF only) -OR-
2080 Furloughed F/As (IF, VF and if you include VFLR)

9606 total F/As, east, west, active and inactive.

* There are 498 wholly owned flight attendants, 273 PSA, 225 Piedmont.

8650 total active US Airways Group F/As at four airline certificates. 10,104 total US Airways Group F/As.

As you can see a great number of people have dropped from the list unless my numbers are wrong. There have been a few small recalls, and retirees, but I suspect a lot is removals of furloughees who did not respond to recent recall letters. All in all it looks much better than just a year or two ago when the amount of furloughees outnumbered the active list.

So. Can we please offer a buyout of 1454 F/As? Erase your furlough list and replace 1454 topped out F/As with 1454 two year pay F/As? Go into the merger as a solid active list? Have new hires for all bases, with the ability to hire in the Shuttle cities rather than shuffle everyone around? Improve morale and quality of life for the flight attendant group, which impacts the bottom line more than any extra row of seats? Hello? Hello? Anyone listening out there?

 

[l8rd8r]

So will you be joining us in Phoenix?

I sooo want to because of the commute but, I've been bitten by the Int'l travel bug....I just completed my first year Int'l(kids kept me domestic before). Waking up to the most amazing historic buildings, food, coffee and people is a hard thing to give up. If we could ETB -out-of-base I'd stay put and adjust my sch'd as I wanted. Truthfully, PHX is not a consideration as I doubt we will be combined before a merger. The east pilots will keep this in litigation for several years to avoid the list. Atleast until massive attrition is complete. Most top 517 guys are supporting the rest. I'm waiting on LAX Int'l.....a faster bet.

 

[EMBFA]

Truthfully, PHX is not a consideration as I doubt we will be combined before a merger. I'm waiting on LAX Int'l.....a faster bet.

I think you are correct! Much bigger things on the horizon.

 

[Skyward]

* Good old Bette is still there in DCA as most senior with a hire date of 04 November 1957.

2400 America West F/As (this is the best number I could find- if anyone has more accurate please let me know)

Bette is pictured in About US this week.

According to the September bid award, seniority # 2576 is the last in the seniority list.

*Edited to add +20 for LAS

 

[EMBFA]

Thank you! I'll re-edit.

 

[SKY HIGH]

So. Can we please offer a buyout of 1454 F/As? Erase your furlough list and replace 1454 topped out F/As with 1454 two year pay F/As?

sky high states: I think we've weeded out the ones who really wanted to leave, or had to because of financial reasons. I dont see the senior people settling for a buy-out when they arent covered by medical benefits into retirement. Actually, that makes them tied to this job for that reason. Hence, the company will have to deal with an OLDER workforce ON THE JOB.
You have former PSA employees who have held on for 19 years, hoping to merge with someone who will decrease their commute. It's finally happened for them. Their seniority on the west will be immense.
What would it take for people to leave? $$$$$? To give up 20/25/30 years of seniority for ????

only stating opinions.

 

[cactusflyer]

I know of a Cindi Simone, but she was definitely an F/A prior to going into the training department and middle management. Blond hair? Married to a preacher?

The Cindi Simone I've met is brunette with a perfectly coiffed bob, almost too perfect. Friendly but in a fake way. Seems to be the type to smile in your face and the minute you turn your back, out comes the dagger. As a "westie" I'm not aware of her history, so I'm not sure if my first impression is spot on or not. While she may very well have S. Shambles job some day, I'm not sure that is a good thing. I guess I'll have to leave that theory up you easties since you know Ms. Simone better that we do out here.

 

[beachboy]

The Cindi Simone I've met is brunette with a perfectly coiffed bob, almost too perfect. Friendly but in a fake way. Seems to be the type to smile in your face and the minute you turn your back, out comes the dagger. As a "westie" I'm not aware of her history, so I'm not sure if my first impression is spot on or not. While she may very well have S. Shambles job some day, I'm not sure that is a good thing. I guess I'll have to leave that theory up you easties since you know Ms. Simone better that we do out here.

Congrats, you had the Cindi Simone experiance! And she keeps that dagger fully sharpened and ready at all times. She was never a flight attendant but she did pop sodas in the USAir club. She likes to forget that. I tell you here and now that woman has her periscope right on Sherry and is just waiting on the instant to POUNCE LIKE A CHEETAH! Watch out Shambles and look behind every curtain h34r:
If Cindi does get it she will be semi functional but make no mistake, the woman could give a rats rear about the flight attendant group. She is out for one person. Herself.

 

[AstroLounge]

The Cindi Simone I've met is brunette with a perfectly coiffed bob, almost too perfect. Friendly but in a fake way. Seems to be the type to smile in your face and the minute you turn your back, out comes the dagger. As a "westie" I'm not aware of her history, so I'm not sure if my first impression is spot on or not. While she may very well have S. Shambles job some day, I'm not sure that is a good thing. I guess I'll have to leave that theory up you easties since you know Ms. Simone better that we do out here.

Your assessment of Mrs. Simone is QUITE ACCURATE. CS is one sharp cookie and a good administrator, but I wouldn't trust her further than I could throw her. Whereas I don't exactly care for her Management "Style" she does get things DONE, and is Hard Working........always BUSY with something. Shambles should see her as a threat........heck, even the "Golden Girl's" are a threat.........I'll watch a rerun of those old tv shows before I'd give Shambles a minute of MY TIME. Useless in a Nutshell.