How long are you really a Reserve in the East?

[WCT]

You are about to look pretty silly here shortly. What's the big deal?
Oh and let's not forget the md-80 in those numbers as well.

I am amazed, and being educated. Thank you. Seriously, I have researched the numbers, and the fact US Airways was that big before 9-11, blows my mind!??? You veterans no better than I, so I apperciatte the facts.

 

[Travelpro72]

I just don't want to see the numbers...... They really get me p!ssed when I see where this company has gone. They blame 9/11 for EVERYTHING. It was a big part of it but this place was falling apart well before that tragic day.

 

[BoeingBoy]

With due respect Jim, can you prove the numbers??

The following is from US Airways Group's Annual Report for the Year 2000 (filed with the SEC 3/30/01):

"As of December 31, 2000, US Airways operated 417 jet aircraft (see Part I, Item 2 "Properties" for additional information related to aircraft operated by US Airways) and provided regularly scheduled service at 104 airports in the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom and the Caribbean."

The status of US Airways' labor agreements with its major employee groups as of December 31, 2000 is as follows:

Union / Class or Craft / Employees
ALPA / Pilots / 5,900
AFA / Flight attendants / 10,900

As of December 31, 2000, US Airways operated the following jet aircraft:
Airbus A330 6
Boeing 767-200ER 11
Boeing 757-200 34
Boeing 737-400 54
Boeing 737-300 85
Boeing 737-200 43
Airbus A319 66
Airbus A320 24
Douglas DC-9-30 23
McDonnell Douglas MD-80 31
Fokker 100 40

Any other questions?

Jim

 

[Travelpro72]

Now I'm really nauseous.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Sorry, Travelpro.....didn't see your post about not wanting to see the numbers till I posted the numbers. It is sad, isn't it.

Jim

 

[N109UW]

With due respect Jim, can you prove the numbers??

What, do you think we are lying to you? Give me a break, we had over 11,000 f/a's at one time. I know, because when I got hired in1989, my system number was 9746. 18+ years later it is about 4200. But you had a nice little airline also, at one time. Now, you have the chance to run with the big boys and it doesn't seem to be working out. Is the west keeping the small airline frame of mind? That's not going to cut it.

 

[EMBFA]

Gee, I'm glad you finally believe my facts. You asked a question, and I took the time to answer, in great detail, I might add. I'm not sure why you think I would pull numbers out of my ass, or why you were so quick to attack me.

As you can clearly see in black and white US Airways was twice the size it is now. USAir at the time of the Piedmont merger was one of the largest airlines in the world, operating over 5,000 flights a day. By 2000 there were less flights, but larger aircraft and more crew. That was not counting Express, which at the time was a very comprehensive regional network with it's own mini-hubs, instead of a network of jets replacing mainline routes. It's three wholly owned subsidiaries were also twice the size the remaining two are today. US Airways itself operated the US Airways Shuttle as an actual brand, and operated it's own LCC called Metrojet, which itself had 43 aircraft. In addition to it's domestic, Shuttle, Express, and Metrojet products it offered a competitive three class transatlantic product. It placed an order for 400 aircraft, regarded as the largest aircraft order in history.

Maybe that puts it in perspective a little just how much of a shadow of itself this two-bit, half-ass "US Airways" is. Even with America West it's not the size it was at the beginning of the decade, saying nothing of it's apalling prouct and performance.

It's also a bit telling that you even think that is all that big. Even at the time US Airways was the smallest of the major carriers. Trust me, "princess", both American and United dwarf US Airways by far. American Airlines operates 652 aircraft. They have 20,000 flight attendants. It's owned subsidiary American Eagle has 308 aircraft.

United Airlines has 460 aircraft. They have 24,000 flight attendants in fourteen bases in four countries, and are hiring 2000 this year (so they are hiring the equivalent of America West this year alone.)

Even combined, even if we got our furloughees back, we are a drop in the bucket. Hope you guys are ready for the next merger- maybe do a little research first so you know our relative place in the industry.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP>USAir at the time of the Piedmont merger was one of the largest airlines in the world, operating over 5,000 flights a day.

“America’s Most Frequent Flyerâ€￾ was the slogan at the time.

IIRC, the only other airline with more daily departures was Aeroflot, which in the Soviet era controlled all non-military flying activities.

 

[ggiby]

What, do you think we are lying to you? Give me a break, we had over 11,000 f/a's at one time. I know, because when I got hired in1989, my system number was 9746. 18+ years later it is about 4200. But you had a nice little airline also, at one time. Now, you have the chance to run with the big boys and it doesn't seem to be working out. Is the west keeping the small airline frame of mind? That's not going to cut it.

I remeber in our anouncement books..... it read something like this prior to 911

"On behalf of the 40,000 USAir employees we would like to thank you for flying with us today"

I can dig it out if someone out there does not believe that we were that big...

about 10,000 f/a's

 

[LCC_#1]

I am amazed, and being educated. Thank you. Seriously, I have researched the numbers, and the fact US Airways was that big before 9-11, blows my mind!??? You veterans no better than I, so I apperciatte the facts.

WCT
Why do you think our current senority sucks? Why would we possibly lie about something as devastating as the fact that our senority was better ten years ago than it is today? More importantly, I hope you and others now understand why senority is so important to us.

 

[AstroLounge]

I remeber in our anouncement books..... it read something like this prior to 911

"On behalf of the 40,000 USAir employees we would like to thank you for flying with us today"

I can dig it out if someone out there does not believe that we were that big...

about 10,000 f/a's

If memory serves me right (I know I sure as hell don't forget that Clowns are Running This Circus) but employment at US was right around 52-53,000 employees in the late 90's. This may seem HUGE but at the same point in time United had about 90,000 and AA well over 100,000 employees. Things sure were different.

 

[AstroLounge]

With due respect Jim, can you prove the numbers??

Obviously You are pretty junior to really have any knowledge of THE INDUSTRY outside the realm of PHX because you clearly have no idea of what US East operated, where it flew or the scope of its operation. At 27 years seniority, I am amazed how foolishly you continue to speak about things YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT. (Are you related to Shambles by chance? )

 

[WCT]

Obviously You are pretty junior to really have any knowledge of THE INDUSTRY outside the realm of PHX because you clearly have no idea of what US East operated, where it flew or the scope of its operation. At 27 years seniority, I am amazed how foolishly you continue to speak about things YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT. (Are you related to Shambles by chance? )

You are pretty obnoxious yourself! You guys were such a class act. Obviously the old US Air had things way over there heads at the time I have never bragged about my airline, or seniority. If it makes you feel better, bring it on!!!

 

[WCT]

I am amazed, and being educated. Thank you. Seriously, I have researched the numbers, and the fact US Airways was that big before 9-11, blows my mind!??? You veterans no better than I, so I apperciatte the facts.

Do I need to explain anymore? I APPERCIATTE THE FACTS. Anyone else want to add on my original question about reserve? Is there any hope for change in decreasing the time spent on?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Is there any hope for change in decreasing the time spent on?

Short term......integrating the employee groups. I think many will be surprised by the number of 15-20 year East F/A's who will bid PHX as soon as they can to get a block.

Long term......growth, although it doesn't sound like there'll be much of that.

Jim