Flight Attendant Recalls In 2005

[MiAAmi]

I still don't understand the explanation came from Lauri Curtis and THB that "there are too many SENIOR F/A'S are put back on reserve due to the furlough of f/a's???? and as a result f/a's are being bid-denied". Ok, well, if you hate flying trips in which language(s)you're qualified, then drop the language(s) or go back to domestic!!!! As for seniors put back on reserve, oh well, isn't it called way of life???? That's because you're senior doesn't mean you're exempt from being on reserve depending on your seniority at your base. They have options to either get another jobs or go to the bases where they won't be on reserve i.e. JFK or LGA!!!!! I swear APFA only caters to just a few senior non-speakers!!!!! In that case, we should get our dues slashed in half since we don't get the same treatment!!

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It doesn't only help people who are border-line reserve it also helps the speakers who get bid denied and for people who like to TT but can't because they are a non-speaker. When they were short pursers last year in Miami 14 and 15 year non-pursers were being pulled back onto reserve while 6,7,8 yr pursers were holding off reserve. The poster above is somewhat mis-informed. The only arguement that I have heard that is somewhat negative about the reduction in speakers is that the one speaker will now have all the speaker duties.

 

[fliboi78]

:angry:

 

[jimntx]

No need for anyone to worry just yet. However, a new development has emerged. I heard from a source at DFW that the company plans to ground 20 additional a/c right after Labor Day. Have no idea if this grounding is "permanent"--i.e., sent to the desert with no plans for recall to active service unless drastic turnaround in airline biz--or if it is seasonal.

My question--to which my source did not know the answer--was what a/c? If they ground 20 S80s it might affect SLT. If they ground 757s and 767s, it may not affect us very much at all. Just don't know at this point.

In any case, if true, this may cause a revision in my opinion of the likelihood of a recall this year. Putting planes on the ground reduces the need for crews. This may or may not affect manpower staffing in more than one base for the remainder of the year. Fewer planes = fewer flight attendants. A lot depends upon attrition rate over the next few months.

Ladies and gentleman, I have my suspicions that summer flying is to be covered by reassignments again this year.

Or, messier flying. Also rumor--I heard that at the Arpey forum at DFW a flight attendant rose to state a complaint about 4 leg days. According to my rumor source, Arpey stated that he could fly flight attendants 6 legs a day if needed and it would all be perfectly legal under our current contract. My source said that ended any discussion of the 4-leg day problems.

 

[FA Mikey]

Flight attendants, have no limit on the numebr of legs per day. Only the number of hours you can be on duty. Leave it to a fa to whine about that to the CEO.

On the 75 or 76. Utilization is high on those and now with AA looking to do more extended range on the 75 to Germany and Northern Brazil.

Hope that rumor doesnt come to pass

 

[kirkpatrick]

I heard from a source at DFW that the company plans to ground 20 additional a/c right after Labor Day.

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That certainly would be a setback. Let's hope it doesn't happen. I'd be surprised to see it happen after Labor Day since traffic remains strong through Sept and well into Oct. If it does occur, the company's manpower requirements would be reduced by about 400. Since 400-500 is the number we can expect to lose through attrition between June and Nov, that would still leave the company borderline for the xmas/new years holidays.

MK

 

[jimntx]

Mk, that's why I said for everyone to just be calm for the time being. We won't know until later this year what, if any, effect the grounding will have on staffing. The attrition rate has not been consistent this year. It's been down in the "normal" range for the past 2 months. However, I continue to hear rumors that the rate is going to increase again this summer, and substantially. If that happens, grounding 20 airplanes may not be enough to offset attrition.

My SWAG (scientific wild-*ssed guess) is still that a recall will occur before the end of the year.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Attrition for May was 110, more than double April's rather meager 53, bringing the total for the year to 361. 13 TWA people retired from furlough status, for a total of 189 in 2005. 3240 TWAers remain on the furlough list.

MK

 

[nyc6035]

Does anyone know what the current fleet plan is regarding the draw down of the 757-231s? Aren't there about 15 left in the fleet at this point? Could these perhaps be a part of the rumored fall reduction in fleet?

 

[Garfield1966]

N,


The best was at the beginning of this month, my entire sequence cancelled while I was at the airport. I contacted sCrew Schedule to see if there was a make-up trip.

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No Fly, you and I are not only on different pages, we are not in the same book much less the same language. I have problems with individuals, not groups. I believe that everyone has the potential to make an A$$ out of them selves as you have just proven with that statement. My guess from reading your posts is that you are part of the problem, not the solution.

CREW scheduling is comprised of a bunch of very good people for the most part with a few bad apples (just like most work groups). Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to get rid of the slackers in our department as it is to get rid of them in yours.

You have shown your true colors. If you have been “screwedâ€￾ by CREW schedule, then call your union and grieve it. If not then shut the he!! up. We have to abide by your contract. We always question each other if this or that is legal or not. If we knowingly violate the contract, we get in trouble and we have to fix it.

Just in case I have not made my self crystal clear, CREW scheduling is not spelled with an “Sâ€￾ in front of it. If I see it again I will just assume you are an ignorant drop out who does not have the ability to run spell check when posting on a BB. If not, I’ll just assume that it was a “typoâ€￾ and move on.

 

[flydcoop]

I don't think so, Garfield...

Why was I already at the airport watching my sequence being sucked-up by DHD-ing DFW F/A's? What did that cost? I cost you 3 hours of call-out pay (actually all four of us did) when we were perfectly legal to work the last sequence and come home (back-to-base) on the same leg CS gave DFW and then DHD home. You know DHDing costs money. Don't be a silly rabbit. Let's see, the 4 of us were at 6 year pay + a Callout...WE WERE LEGAL AND WE LOST HOURS. I gained 3 hours and a day off because of that CXLD trip. Goody for me.

I gained 5 hours last month I wasn't scheduled for. I am now re-adjusting my high-time flying for the summer...LOL!

I quickly went on high-time MU to protect my hours and got it.

OK, so I'm an A$$, that's fine...you do not understand me at all. I am on your side more than you would ever know.

If I was part of the problem, I would have more bad letters

I know what my job is! BTW, my name is Coop, not Fly.

You can assume I'm an ignorant drop-out all you want...perhaps I am...but I understand our FF (EP and PL more than you ever could).

I do pretty well with them, I understand where my bread is buttered...

Coop

SLT

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No Fly, you and I are not only on different pages, we are not in the same book much less the same language. I have problems with individuals, not groups. I believe that everyone has the potential to make an A$$ out of them selves as you have just proven with that statement. My guess from reading your posts is that you are part of the problem, not the solution.

CREW scheduling is comprised of a bunch of very good people for the most part with a few bad apples (just like most work groups). Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to get rid of the slackers in our department as it is to get rid of them in yours.

You have shown your true colors. If you have been “screwedâ€￾ by CREW schedule, then call your union and grieve it. If not then shut the he!! up. We have to abide by your contract. We always question each other if this or that is legal or not. If we knowingly violate the contract, we get in trouble and we have to fix it.

Just in case I have not made my self crystal clear, CREW scheduling is not spelled with an “Sâ€￾ in front of it. If I see it again I will just assume you are an ignorant drop out who does not have the ability to run spell check when posting on a BB. If not, I’ll just assume that it was a “typoâ€￾ and move on.

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[czerny]

Furloughees, if you listen to the latest apfa hotline, it does not bode well for a recall this year. If this test that allows international and domestic fas that have had international training to cover trip is implemented, then it may negate the need for a recall this year.We need to have our voices heard. I'm very disappointed that this is the approach apfa is taking to mitigate "staffing" and reassignments. They should lobby to get our jobs back.




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[MiAAmi]

I wonder if its just a matter of time before the company asks APFA to allow it to merge Domestic and International. If that happens we may not see recalls for sometime.

 

[operaations]

I wonder if its just a matter of time before the company asks APFA to allow it to merge Domestic and International. If that happens we may not see recalls for sometime.

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We need more flight attendants. I reassign every day I am getting tired of coming into work only to know that the next 8-10 hours will be to reassign people from t/a to two days....two days to three days and so on and so on. I think we should merge Intl and zDomestic. I also think everyone should be qualified on all equipment. That in my opinoin would stop at least 60 percent of the re assignments. Just my opinion

 

[okoge1027]

If you are below TWA you are SOL.

Your speaker quals do not matter.

They cannot hire out of seniority order.

Perhaps if you are recalled and you have certain "speaker" quals, you can hold certain "bases" but do not expect it.

Coop

SLT

p.s. I'M LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB! LOL!

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I'm not on furlough. I'm based in LAX-I. I too am lucky to have a job! thanks!!!

 

[okoge1027]

It doesn't only help people who are border-line reserve it also helps the speakers who get bid denied and for people who like to TT but can't because they are a non-speaker. When they were short pursers last year in Miami 14 and 15 year non-pursers were being pulled back onto reserve while 6,7,8 yr pursers were holding off reserve. The poster above is somewhat mis-informed. The only arguement that I have heard that is somewhat negative about the reduction in speakers is that the one speaker will now have all the speaker duties.

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Oh what fun! It's interesting to see how the fake speakers will react to that since most senior ones are of fake speaker decent and there won't be natives to bail them out!!!